my social media timelines are full of 'in voters' beeling away, demanding recounts, petitions, investigations etc.... one **** nugget even set up a 'we demand London leaves the UK to join the EU' petition. Folk should accept the decision and divert their energies into other things. We're a solid bet on the international stage, inside or outside of Europe. The EU, in 15 years will pretty much cease to exist I feel. Others will follow the UK and a different type of 'European family' will emerge to replace the EU... an economic family we will likely be part of but with retention of sovereignty on most issues.
Indeed. I've seen some proper dogs abuse dished out to some lads for daring to sound pleased with Brexit and/or the Cameron resignation.
I've not seen many not accepting it, just the usual handful that there would have been on either side. I have seen lots of people (myself included) disappointed with the outcome but knowing that's the way democracy works. I just hope that us remainers are proved wrong and that we will get the local investment to replace the loss of EU funding.I hope the constitutional issue thrown up by the Scottish vote gets sorted amicably, and that we can leave Europe on friendly terms. Whatever happens, these countries will be our neighbours and we will better off if relations are good.
I've read a fair bit crap today,not particularly on here mind. It shouldn't have come to this and wouldn't have if the EU hadn't treat the people of the UK with contempt. The government did the same along with the Labour Party (who are so out of touch with their voters that I despair at the thought of another Tory term). They have left the normal working class family with no where to go, hence the NE being solid Out.
Completely agree with that. The blame for what has happened is collective and that includes the EU. The EU refused to see the level of discontent and the need for reform. They played hardball with Cameron in the negotiations and left him far too short to appease enough of the eurosceptic concerns - some of which I totally agree are genuine. They failed to make any effort to actually talk about the good things they do, particularly their support of poor regions and infrastructure, because they are so detached that they had no idea this result was even possible. Successive governments have added to the problem by using the EU as a political punchbag when it suited their domestic political ambitions. They shouldn't have been surprised that this would have a cumulative effect. The EU has enough genuine problems without that having happened. Successive governments have ignored and neglected urban areas and problems because they knew that those were not the constituencies that would win them elections.They have ignored the problems of allowing an underclass to develop who see no hope and no future (not saying all leave voters are part of an underclass). The people of those areas are also to blame by continually voting labour even if they had put up a monkey with a red rosette (and I say that as someone with socialist tendencies). Nobody was made to work for their votes. All mainstream parties added to the problem by failing to discuss the issues caused by immigration.They allowed it to become the monster in the room. Personally I think there are lots of genuine problems caused by immigration and some bigoted, non-genuine problems. Instead of discussing and addressing the issues they resorted to dismissing all views as bigoted. Over the years this played into the hands of the more extreme political movements and led to a fairly large wing of extremists and gave them a louder voice than they should have had. I don't include UKIP in that. They have a lot of nutters as members (and SOME racists) but mainly are made up of disaffected and disillusioned people. Different people have different views on immigration, but in my opinion the country is far from full. It's not the country that is full, but the hospitals, schools and houses. In my opinion they should have been talking about the need for and benefits of immigration and investing in the infrastructure required to support them. They should also have banned advertising jobs directly in the EU and not advertising them in the UK. If Cameron and Osborne genuinely believed the fears they were expressing of a leave vote then they should never have put the option of leaving up in a referendum. We elect governments to make important decisions for us, and trust them to know the bigger picture when we don't. Instead they risked the country's future (again if they believed the warnings they gave) in order to gain personal power at the last election. Campaigners on both sides deserve blame for running negative campaigns instead of focusing on positives. :Labour didn't even seem to be campaigning and Corbyn was invisible. The end result was that we had places like Hartlepool voting 70% to leave, and then today when people in the Hartlepool streets were asked why they voted leave, not one mentioned Europe and everyone interviewed talked about how crap things were and how anything had to be better than this. Whether it is for better or worse, the country has got what it deserves. I hope it is for better. No matter what we voted, we all need to work together to do our best to try and make sure it is.
The silent majority have been pissed for a long time mate and have spoken.The pant wetting behavior today by some of the remainders on Twitter along with the repugnant celebrities and luvvies was absurdly childish. People need to man up now and accept it. In the meantime: please log in to view this image
I genuinely think it is the worst outcome - for many reasons. However it is what it is and we now need to work out how to make the most of the situation. There will be some immediate negative impacts for sure, but we don't know about the medium to long term. All we can do is to be prepared for change, if nothing else then for the sake of our kids and future generations. That said following today's events, the personal impact is big. Consequently, I genuinely can't justify spending time on a football forum. So I suggest you seek a new Mod as I won't be on for the foreseeable. There, at least I'm offering you REMAIN folks some good news today.
That isn't good news Obi I know you said last night that this result guarantees change for you because of your job. Not sure if that involves relocation or seeking new employment (and it's none of my business) but hope it works out well for you in the end. Hope you can hang fire until things are a little more certain for you and that you get the chance to pop on as and when you can
This. I increasingly began to think during the run up that whilst it seems like the democratic thing to do to put a decision out to a referendum like this, actually we elect governments to make the decisions for us. We have the democratic right to choose who we want to make decisions on our behalf but that is where I feel it should end. This feels like it was too big with too significant a set of potential consequences either way for it to be put out as a referendum. Just my opinion. Cameron was probably between a rock and a hard place because as I understand it (don't think I am making this up ) he promised there would be a referendum. If he had refused to go ahead with it, people would be saying 'oh another politician that doesn't keep his word' (which on other issues maybe he didn't but let's just stick with the referendum for now ).
We do not elect Governments to make decisions on such constitutional questions of this magnitude, it was quite right that the country was asked to decide, the Referendum was included in the Tory Party Manifesto at the last election and is therefore a requisite action to undertake, this was far too big a decision for 650 odd people to decide on behalf of the whole country.
Now the clowns of the EU are blaming Cameron saying there was no need for a referendum. These kunts don't even care for democracy anymore. I would have preferred a remain, but the more soundbites i hear from various EU leaders as well as EU official makes me realise nothing ever going to change until they completely implode. They really don't give a **** about the people, they just want to do their little project for as long as we fund it for. The EU thought Cameron was bluffing. They called the bluff and lost. In switzerland we do referendums on 3-4 issues every 3-4 months. The executive gives a recommendation but whatever the result it's just the peoples will and is implemented. No once has a swiss politician had the audacity to question the process like I just heard the austrian PM do. That guy actually pormised there would never be an austrian referendum. How can he claim to be a democrat? Camerons gone up in my estimation. He said he would put it before the people he did. Hes resigning because he clearly doesn't feel like having to sit with the EU guys for years of negotiations every other week. Whoever lead the brexit government is gonna see more of EU kunts in the next two years than any previous PM has.
I realise that not everyone on here is from the north east, or lives here, but it's interesting to see that the poll on here almost exactly mirrors the north east split which was 58% Leave/42% Remain.
Pound falls off the cliff, BR probably going to drop, FTSE 250 crashes... And we have ****ing morons celebrating!!! Tough ****, we voted out, can't change that now, but if you celebrated the result, if you think "I would vote out again" based on today, what the actual ****. I'm young, I work for a financial institute, looking to enter the housing market, and this will **** my future. Thanks guys.
Don't worry, we'll save £10 billion a year in what we pay to the EU. Seeing as we had £25 billion knocked off the value of the British economy today, and have set aside £250 billion to stabilise the pound, we'll be able to break even in 27 and a half years time - provided we manage to get everything sorted by tomorrow morning! (and yes - I know it isn't that simple before anyone bites my head off)
Uncertain times ahead. The UK have made their bed, we've got to lie in it. We've got a strong economy, weather the storm and we'll be OK.
Said it for a while best option we leave and it works, worst option we leave and things get worse. We now know it's going to be one of those two options, I fear the worst but as Kevin Keegan once said "I would love it" if I was proved wrong.
I hope it does work, but even if it does I think most people accept there will be pain to bear before we get there. I just hope they don't do their usual trick of throwing the people who bear that pain on the rubbish heap like usual while we get things sorted. They are going to need to be flexible and show some compassion to those in need through the process.They will need to ease up on the austerity measures and prolong their plans to break even.
