The success of UKIP and subsequently the high turn out meant the UK demanded a vote on the ever changing EU. The EU eurocrats have major and growing problems with the population in many of its member countries. There is major anger against Comrade Corbyn by members of the Labour Parliamentary Party and grandees like Madison that are openly calling for a leadership election. The Labour leaders had a complete disregard for Labour voters who were key in this referendum. It was the Labour supporters that decided to vote against the advice of its leaders that made the difference.
I'll be honest, we discussed it this morning. It's bad enough when Tories get in but you have hope for the future in 5 years time. This feels like we've lost the election for the next forty years (or more).
Mark Watson on the BBC: "The maps of how people voted show that this was a victory for the countryside over the cities, particularly in England. London, Manchester, Bristol, Leicester, Leeds and Liverpool - for the most part, the metropolitan centres voted to remain. But the further from the big city centres one travels, the more emphatically people voted to leave." So it's the areas of the country where people still throw stones at the moon, that has condemned our children's future. Very reassuring.
Some of the funniest comments this morning came from the New New Labour spokespeople. First one about 06.00 on 5-Live was claiming that not many Labout voters would have voted to Leave - are they that out of touch with their own homelands? Next was that horrible mess Diane Abbot on BBC 1- she claimed that Comrade Corbyn was only 70% behind the Remain campaign and he was positioned to take Labour forward. Pure comedy gold.
I'm sure that you've reported that accurately, w_y, and so, yes, typical f-ing politicians. I don't think it was a party political issue, but it was inevitable that various politicians would try and turn it into one.
But that does not account for all the other large cities that did not does it? - especially in the Labour heartlands. But it's good to see that the insults continue - you missed racists, xenophobes, people who drink in pubs, people who drive an Audi. But carry on - it's just making my day even better.
She needs to get back on Comrade Corbyn's motorbike and help him back into obscurity somewhere in Europe. Those were the days my friend, bonking somewhere in a foreign land.
I've had a rant, yes, w_y. I'm sorry if this is a matter of schadenfreude for you. I respect that people have voted in accordance with what they think is best for this country, I genuinely do. But I think their mistake will not affect them as much as those who voted against it, whom it will adversely affect - for decades. I don't think it was a party political issue, and as I've said, I'm sorry if you find pleasure in others' worries for their children's future.
What I do not understand comments like "But I think their mistake will not affect them as much as those who voted against it" - it must assume that those that voted Out are no more impacted than those that did not, which flies in the face of the voting demographics. This vote was carried by the working class of this country and was a general 2 fingers up to the political classes in the EU and in this country and yet they would be the ones most impacted. I take no pleasure in other people worries, my eldest son called me this morning worried that the value of his house would fall - he only brought it 2 months ago and has a 35 year mortgage! But I genuinely believe that in the longer term, this country and it's people will be far better off with not having a political union with the EU. My last comment was not just aimed at you but at others that feel it ok to offer abuse but get rather bothered when someone disagrees with their opinion - so some of the points do not apply and can be most correctly ignored.
Like I said, I believe that people voted in accordance with what they thought was best for the country. Clearly the older demographic who voted for Leave, will have less time impacted by the result than the young, who largely voted Remain. I hope your son and others will not be affected adversely by negative equity. I don't agree with your contention that this was a working class resolve to Leave. I'm genuinely not doing a tit-for-tat, but are there articles on this? I was horrified by voxpops on TV on Wednesday where people's arguments included "Well, we built this world!" Basing a vote on the importance of our country during the Industrial Revolution is absurd, but it wasn't the only time I've heard it. We are not owed anything by the world, if anything we are seriously in the red. I agreed with Farage that the matter should not be based entirely on economics. But a united (note the lower case u) Europe is important for security, too. Let alone all the protections it has provided the said working class. A fingers up to the political classes is not wrong, IMHO. I would prefer an EFTA arrangement to EU, but now we won't have anything like as good as either - cutting our noses off to spite our faces, I fear. I could go on...
Well you clearly voted for that very dangerous self-serving buffoon... I guess you should enjoy it..... I have lost out big time.... no doubt you have it all worked out for your benefit..... big laugh eh.... I just don't get you and yours w_y.... all the big companies, banks and the city have been very badly hit... but you and your one corp and all your colleagues are going to benefit??? . The UK has lost overnight what the so called savings of leaving will take years to recover. ...and it's all a big laugh??
no I wrote that when it became apparent... and was being ironic.... but/and I was also stating that we need a measured way forward.... especially if we wish to keep free trade links open ..... otherwise we are pushing ourselves and Europe into recession.... and that is VERY worrying. No ruling politician in Europe is going to be well disposed... to arrogant UK negotiators. I am still deeply shocked. having heard a lot of reasons as to why people voted leave this morning....I can only say a lot of people have been duped into believing that the EU was responsible for the recession, no jobs, no schools, closure of manufacturing, etc etc Which is clearly not the case. As Cologne I think it is has said a lot of people voted emotionally without considering the hard facts. I fear it will take five years to recover economically from this. I hope I am wrong......
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There was a lot of doom and gloom on the exit of the ERM. The negative effect was short lived and resulted in a long period of growth for the UK. The importance of having a business friendly country should not be underestimated. Sterling and shares are already beginning to recover. Personally the drop in the value in sterling is financially hugely damaging, I trust and hope all the other benefits are joined by long term economic prosperity for the UK. Sometimes you have to back your judgement.
Nicola Sturgeon announces plans for second Scottish independence referendum after UK votes for Brexit The Scottish First Minister said there had been a 'significant' change to the circumstances of the 2014 vote And so it goes on..... of course our wise BREXITERS will see it all as good for the UK.... well at this rate there will be: No UK No Great Britain and very few friends in the playground.... and let us have no doubt... the poor will pay the price for this.....
