You need to avoid childish comments and joining the hysteria that was around previously when the UK left the ERM monetary system. Leaving led to the longest period of sustained growth for the UK. The eurocrats should have negotiated properly with Cameron, nobody except him though his deal amounted to anything.
I am not spending my time debating with you SH. and have better ways to spend my day. However disastrous this result may be life goes on, and will need some sort of reconciliation between warring factions before it can. If all politicians were like you - and could only 'crow' over their opponents at times like this then Britain would have no future - fortunately many people are more adult than this. Whatever the situation may be in the country you still have a majority of 450 - 150 in the house of commons for remain, and it is exactly these people who have to take on European negotiations over the next 2 years ? Brexit may now have a mandate, but the Brexiters do not have a mandate for government, Has any government, anywhere, taken a course which they knew was bad for the economy, and isolationist in political terms - is this what we pay our politicians to do ?
There are many reasoned speakers on the leave side. Due to the clear result it would be unacceptable not to proceed with a Conservative government without Johnson and Gove. Farage has been one of the most popular and influential politicians over the last few years but is not a Conservative and will not be part of the ongoing government. He has succeeded with his long term objective, I expect him to leave the political scene and most of the UKIP support return to the Tory fold.
You do seem to be a sore loser. Parliament voted to have a referendum and the people have decided. Like you, the MP's on the losing side have to respect the view of the people, it is democracy. God knows we all debated the issues for long enough.
We have seen no serious debate, that is the problem. The leave campaign has been fuelled by slogans, suppositions and nothing else - on the back of about 20 years of Fleet Street propaganda which has always been anti European, in all its forms. Democracy needs a politically educated population, access to information, and transparency, and all of these are lacking. Is it democratic to live in a country where newspapers tell you what to vote and where grand TV. debates reduce the whole thing to a matter of pure personality politics ?
Now lets see what our dear First Minister (who, BTW, had a lower share of the vote here than Cameron had at the General Election) does now: http://jerseyeveningpost.com/news/2016/01/18/we-want-britain-to-stay-in-the-uk-says-chief-minister/ I wonder what the Pozzos think about this.
I can't put it better than that. My wife has just been saying "They make you do a test to become a British citizen, where's the competency test to be able to vote? We may as well let our pets vote like that World Cup octopus!"
It will be fun to watch the remain scare stories to be exposed as lies, one by one. One of the easiest fears to ally is the alleged problem of recruitment of foreign football players. I'm sure an agreement will be reached fairly quickly. If the pound stays weak, which I doubt, it would be an extra incentive for them to come to the UK, as they will be taking a larger sack of money back home at the end of their contract.
Given that the result of this referendum wasn't legally binding and, the last time I looked, the Leave lead wasn't all that great - does anyone think Cameron will just ignore it?
Well, the EU eurocrats have plenty of history and practice of this tactic, why bother listening to the people?
Obviously there are a number of ways we can approach this... I just hope that common sense prevails.... (how much chance is there of that though }
As you say BB. the result is not legally binding and I do not know if Cameron needs a vote in parliament to activate clause 50. Once activated then everything remains the same as normal for at least 2 years, whilst a whole number of issues are negotiated - there will still be free movement (though I do not think that their integration will have been helped by this result), trade will still go on (without any longer term contracts being signed). The only immediate change is that Britain would be disenfranchising itself within the EU. parliament - and disenfranchising 2 million of its citizens living in Europe (from European elections, and possibly also local ones - depending on the country involved) - as far as I know these changes would be immediate. Otherwise the sun will rise as usual, and SH. will still be making a nuisance of himself, as normal.
Cameron has done the right thing to resign in several months time once the initial shockwaves have subsided. I'm pleased he has not thrown a tantrum and carried out his threat to invoke article 50 immediately. It is also right to let the new leader to decide on the timing of this. He quite rightly said the country must follow the will of the people so no shenanigans hinted at above. Theresa May, although mildly supporting remain, has positioned herself nicely into a good position for the leadership. She has been an excellent Home Secretary, she will make a good PM.
Political commentators on tv reckon that Theresa May does not have the support to be PM. The only alternative will be Boris Johnson as PM with Theresa May as deputy, this will unite the party. With the boundary changes and returning UKIP supporters the Tories are likely to be in a very strong position for years.
It was a conservative civil war which forced Britain into turmoil through the calling of an unnecessary referendum, and will be responsible for all the troubles to come. There is no way that a Brexiter has a mandate to take over government - and no way that the Labour party or Corbyn should suffer any negative consequences - Corbyn cannot be blamed because of his stance in a referendum which he was against calling, and which his party warned would be divisive and detremental to trade, which it was. Cameron called the referendum as an election ploy and has been punished for it. It has turned London, Manchester, Liverpool, Scotland and N. Ireland against the rest of the country (maybe London should declare itself independent !) - it has pitted young against old, has left scars which will take a long time to heal, and has dragged Britain down in the eyes of the rest of the World.
Rather glib and not my work, but... Have you seen the new design £1 coin? please log in to view this image
I pity the immigrants and refugees because they will be the ones blamed as the UK economy crashes. The first signs of a brain drain are also showing. The number of Google queries on emigration from the UK to Canada, Australia and New Zealand increased by just under a 1000% after 5a.m. UK time today.
