Off Topic EU deabte. Which way are you voting ?

Nearly a third of Ukip voters believe that MI5 are involved in a plot to rig the vote, according to a survey this week

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...ive-latest-mi5-conspiracy-fears-a7097011.html

 

Bit tin foil hat if you ask me

 

I just sound like an intolerant bigot!....

 

maybe you are...

 

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Yes you do Dessie.

 

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That's why I never used the pencil in the booth, took my pen with me.

 

I read this today.

It's not me or by me but it's funny and well written and makes the point without any of the bullshit that has been spouted for the last few weeks;



Unlike everyone else, who seemingly overnight has become a champion of European legislation and a bastion of the legalities of immigration, I genuinely know **** all about politics.

Honestly. Can't even tell you the difference between labour, conservatives or the other ones. Is it Lib dems? I don't know what they do. Tories are ****s though... That's literally the extent of my knowledge.

It just doesn't interest me because, and I'm aware that this is painfully apathetic and stupid, but it's boring and I don't see how any of it's actually set up to help me. If I was a bank or building society or a business that operated on the global market or just a **** who went to Eton and fancied making all my pig diddling mates peers or something then yeah, I'd give more of a ****. But I'm not. I'm just a bloke who works in a call centre 8 hours a day and whether we're in or out of Europe I'll still have £68 pound a month to pay for bus fares. I'm trapped in renting so I couldn't give less of a **** about "community" because I'm not really part of one because I might move again in 6 month so what's point? I'll still be skint either way, the concept of owning a house will remain a sick joke and I'll still have to work until I'm a billion and 30 just to retire on the £8.47 I've got saved up in my work pension (yes I'm aware all of these are political points... Irony's funny, isn't it?) but governments aren't set up for people like me... They're set up for people who are either tragically, tragically poor or people who are almost belligerently rich. Even if we save money by coming out, who gives a ****? What, we're suddenly going to start looking after old folk and buying hospitals are we? Wont we need the four food banks in Leeds anymore? You talk actual piss. Any money saved will go into buying more pigs or moats for duck houses.

The point for me is this though; A university professor of 12 years, what has got an actual PhD, specialising in European constitutional law and the relationship between the EU and its member states, specifically the UK, the single market and the free movement of people has said its a ****ing **** idea to leave the EU.

Surely that's enough then? Let's agree with him, surely? He probably knows what's chong and what's not chong.

I mean I know you've got a BTEC in sports science and, yeah... sure, your lass has got her level 1 hairdressing certificate and you both went to Tossa De Mar once for holiday but his points seem to come across better than yours somehow. Like, his arguments are built around solid premises and formulated on numbers and research and **** whereas yours are like "Yeah well The Sun says all black people are ****ers, so...".

The best way I can think of it is in terms of the biscuit club at work. Everybody pays in and everybody gets nice biscuits. Sure you can get your own biscuits if you want but it's a lot of ****ing about and you'll only have to share them anyway. What, are you gonna legitimately eat them all to yourself in an office are you Sharon? Right well that's why you wear sports socks and can't find a husband. Yeah, not everyone gets the biscuits they want all the time but if your choice is **** biscuits sometimes or no biscuits ever then it's a ****ing no brainer. What if you want help to get biscuits but nobody cares because they're sorted for Jaffas now? What about your relationship with people who are still in biscuit club? You think they'll be happy with you tapping Hob Nobs off them everyday because you forgot to go to Jacksons at the weekend? Get to ****. "Oh no, loads of new people want to join in with biscuit club now!" So? More people means more / better biscuits. Yeah you might have to share more but what are you, 5? If you don't want to share biscuits then **** off back to Russia you pinko commie swine. Plus, why do you think they WANT to join? It's because these biscuits are brilliant and they haven't got any. Sometimes people do Ramadan and can't eat biscuits while the suns up... Who gives a ****? Don't have biscuits then. It's ok... Just have them later. Take them home for when suns gone down for all I care. And yeah, some people try and blag it... They don't pay what they should or they eat more than you but you don't just **** biscuits off all together because of a couple of dickheads. Grow up you babies. "He hasn't paid for biscuits and by rights he's eating my property!". Yeah... Jason's not paying this week because he's got dick cancer and he's got better things to worry about. Let him have a biscuit you tight bastard. **** me. Plus his wife's got alopecia. Difficult home life mate. Give him a biscuit while he sorts his head out.

I'm just gonna go with the PhD bloke to be honest because he's smarter than everyone else and I ****ing love biscuits me.

‪#‎BiscuitClub‬




Which is why we should stay.

 

Double post!!

 

Voted Out.

Had a long slow walk down to the polling station whilst I considered the decision I was making and have to say I almost changed my mind purely because of the levels of uncertainty involved, it is because of this that I think a large number of undecided voters will vote to stay in the EU.

I believe a lot of people will have voted for both sides of the argument for the wrong reasons due to the ****ty nature of the campaign and the sheer amount of rubbish being spoken by both sides. Remain painted leaving as the ultimate catastrophe and end of the world while Leave made it out to be the answer to all of our problems, neither is correct and the truth is somewhere in between the two. We will go on, the effects will not be as deep or long lasting as people have forecast, but we will also have to compromise to get the deals we need post brexit and that likely means not achieving many of the things laid out by the leave campaign.

Whichever way the vote goes there's a lot of hard work ahead. I think I'll be staying up tonight to watch as the results flow in. Part of me thinks a brexit is a real possibility with how the polls have gone recently but the rest of me thinks remain will still win. Like with the Scottish referendum the economic plan hasn't been made clear enough to persuade the undecideds who will swing the result towards remain.

I'll also say it's a shame that immigration has taken such centre stage during the campaigning for this referendum and if that is the key thing that has made people's minds up that would be dissapointing to me even if we achieve the result I am after.

 

It's because the Brexit campaign have no economic plan. Other than 'trust us, everything will be fine'

 

"It's because the join campaign have no economic plan. Other than 'trust us, everything will be fine"

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Total bullshit!....

And, I suspect, you know it.,...

 

Feel to educate us about the "economic plan" for the join campaign in 1975.
Perhaps you have the list of "credibles" then, And how many of them failed the Tetlock list.

 

It was over 40yrs ago, ffs! WTF are you rattling on about?

Yes, there as a plan when we joined. The plan being that we would be better off in the EU than going alone. That decision has proved correct!..

Unfortunately, a bunch of 'little Englanders' and other assorted right wing nutters have decided we can 'sail alone'

We can't!...

 

Absolutely ****ing brilliant!

 

When was it proved ?? 1 yr later ?? 2 ?? 3 ?? 4 ?? Feel free to tell us the rough timespan ...

 

It's proved now, ok? Unfortunately, a bunch of idiots seem intent on ****ing that up!.