Off Topic EU deabte. Which way are you voting ?

I think a lot of people voting remain are voting for what they believe the EU should be rather than what it is. I like the idea of an organisation of European states, but not sure it can ever work due to self-interests which seem to work in favour of certain powerful members (how did Cameron's renegotiation work out!), and increasingly in favour of multinational big business - some of whom fail to pay tax in the areas they do most business. If big business say something is good, then they mean its good for them. This is not the same as being good for the rest of us. I am no revolutionary, I work in a small business, but I see governments increasingly toeing the large corporation line (rather than the small - and more dynamic - business).

The EU also seems to have an inbuilt direction independent of its "elected" representatives, with the actual voters being quite remote, thus handing far more power to bureaucrats than in national governments. It just doesn't seem to be very democratic either. For example I fail to see how 8 MEPs can adequately represent the whole of London (that's a million people each), when there are 73 MPs for the same area.

 

I thought I'd drop this conversational timebomb in before the referendum. http://www.pcs.org.uk/en/wales/whats-new-in-wales.cfm/cardiff-event-in-support-of-migrants-this-Saturday

The bit below particularly stood out -

"...Migrants are being used as a political football. There are calls from all sides to limit immigration and renegotiate EU freedom of movement - but it is our government taking away our jobs, housing and public services. Our fight is against austerity, not against any other group of people wherever they come from...."

 

They also have to allow EU migrants as part of the deal to keep them in the single market. Norway is used by Brexit bods a lot but it's a really good example of why we should remain.

 

Here is the answer

 

I ain't being rude but if a ****ing puffin can understand this what the **** is wrong with you lot?

 

Also the German Finance Minister has said that we wouldn't be able to copy the Norway model if we exit, as if we are voting out, we are voting out. So it's a ridiculous comparison to be honest.

 

Good we will have a UK model, much better

 

Which INNER is this?

 

but.....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36596060

 

Have you ever met a French person?

 

Bonjour

 

This I do agree with, I've got to say.

I accept a hit to our economy but don't agree it will be as long term as is being made out at all.

However, I'm still in the stay camp for numerous reasons.

 

Don't say I didn't warn you mo fo

 

Boris unleashed his knock-out punch spectacularly

"But others were more focused on why Mr Johnson told the pro-Remain Scottish Tory that haggis exports could be hampered by EU trade rules."

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"They may take away our lives, but they'll never take our freedom!" ...

 

Duck!

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He drew laughter from the 6,000-strong crowd during the TV debate at Wembley Arena as he told pro-Remain Scottish Tory leader Ruth Davidson: “Because the EU is in charge of our trade negotiations we cannot export haggis to America.”

But many viewers took to Twitter to joke about his comments, with some pointing out that the ban on importing Scottish haggis is largely imposed by US agriculture authorities.