And that works two ways, BtN. How can the Brexit people tell us that things will be better outside? Especially when those in charge of the UK are very much self-serving individuals.
You must get really annoyed when hear those stupid people complaining of how the UK is being treated by the EU Intelligence does tend to get a little distorted when confronted with fear, it then needs another motivation to create balance , some people have it others do not
Hang on that's a bold statement to simply wipe away any financial arguments as hearsay. The difference here is they can all see for certaim the **** storm that will hit if we brexit, like the weathermen looking at a chart with a huge hurricane heading towards land. The only thing they can't accurately predict is whether we'd be fooked, really fooked, or totally fooked. The argument about power is also misleading. We have more power by being able to veto as part of the EU than if we 'leave' but are still subject to some EU regulations. it's not a black and white in or out. Out doesn't mean we can be like Norway. That would be worst of both worlds for UK. Ni say, still pay the EU,still have to allow freedom of movement (so not a solution for those harping on about immigration). Whereas to leave altogether and sever all ties (which those who absolute power over 'free trade' think) would be exactly that.Severing ties.Over 40% of our export goes to EU. Over 40%. If we slap them inthe face why would they give us a good deal on trade as an independent state? It would be the equivalent to me telling my wife I want to leave her for somebody better then asking if she would mind still doing my washing and if i could pop round on Fridays for a blow job. I wouldn't like to see how that conversation goes.
To be honest the whole immigration argument just frustrates me. This article interested me http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...exit-what-lies-have-been-spread-a7092521.html This obsession with the leave campaign to make this the single most important debate is calculated and I believe they have simply attempted to tap into a long drawn out myth as I see it. We do need greater control on immigration but I think we can do that within the confines of the EU - not least because there are slightly more non EU immigrants than EU immigrants - tighten the VISA system. Challenge the immigration debate from within, we will certainly find allies within the EU. Added that the looming potential threat is not confirmed. Those countries mentioned in the article are by no means certain to join the EU. The Turkey question is the big one for obvious reasons. I can see the fear factor but I think we are risking a hell of lot economically just in case something happens in the next 5 years? To me the single most important element of the debate is economics. This has such a massive impact on our daily lives that this is my focus rightly or wrongly. While economists get it wrong like weathermen, almost to a man they are predicting a hard time - certainly short term. That pain could be longer term too such is the uncertainty surrounding trade deals. We would face an enormous task diplomatically. If the leave campaign had provided more information on how this would be tackled then I'd perhaps have been slightly more open. All I seem to get is whimsical soundbytes about the shackles being released - great but how are you going to actually action all this.
I disagree with this. I do think there is a problem with mentality within British people. Rarely do I go to a Costa, Pret and get served by a British person. Kids used to go round washing cars, now we have polish car washes on old petrol stations. Polski shops or markets selling sari's or Asian attire, some areas of east London and Birmingham have been taken over, so many businesses owned by immigrants who do not hire young British people. Cleaners, chefs, bin men all these jobs are so beneath "British people" but they are jobs that need to be done. Youngsters wanna live like Kim Kardashian or Joey Essex and wont muck in, with unrealistic expectations and unwilling to graft, this usually ends up with kids ending up on benefits. As the level of migration increases, so will the cost of unemployment benefits to the tax payer as well as all the infrastructure costs and all the public service costs. Soon there won’t be enough jobs for migrants. Jobs now stop taking applications when they reach 50 or 100 people. it’s a joke, 100 people applying for a job! If 100 people are applying for one job, how is it possible the employer to select the right person? I also think anyone that doesn’t speak the language shouldn’t be able to come over here because they will be limited in what they can offer. I feel the same about anyone looking to leave the UK and move abroad, at the very least people should learn the language of the country they choose to live in. It's different in different parts of the country, Luton is different to Newcastle as is Birminingham to Scotland. I am unfortunately located in an area where there is a high proportion of migration. I see the effects it has, most are genuinly nice people who want to come here and work, send money home (which I disagree with), but we are in a country where debt is increasing, the deficit isnt coming down, benefits & public service costs are increasing and we are all trying to help everyone else out. 10b a year to african rulers in foreign aid which never benefits anyone apart from the rich. I think we need to look after ourselves a bit. Or a least let us have the option. Scrap foreign aid, use the £10billion savings to decrease tax on employees, then working individuals can use the savings passed down to them in a way they see fit. if they want to donate these savings to a charity of their choice, then so be it, at least it's their decision.
The only aspect I can offer any real insight into (rather than just parroting what various sources say on the news) is into the impact on science. I'm a scientist, and science is one of the few things that this country still does where we punch massively above our weight to remain world class. (I don't include myself in that I might add - I'm more journeyman than boffin, but I have the privilege of working with some really talented people from the UK and around the world). It's also something that adds massively to our economy - without research and high tech creating new products and jobs we'd be even more dependent on Osbourne's merchant banker mates in the City. Leaving the EU would scupper this massively. This government has cut research funding to the bone and I don't trust them an inch to actually spend money on it even if we did get a benefit from leaving the EU (when, as far as I can tell, the opposite is most likely to happen). R&D and science funding is one of the few ways to sustainably grow an economy in a way that benefits everyone, and make life better for people as they go. The EU has helped Britain retain its status as a world leader in science and technology, and I genuinely think we'd be risking one of the real jewels in our crown if we left.
I feel like there's a disconnect in people's minds between the effect of foreign aid making life in other countries more tolerable, thereby weakening the need to leave your country for a better life elsewhere. If we try and save money in this area it'll end up being a false economy, like cuts to mental and social care have led to overcrowding in hospitals and prisons (which are more expensive anyway).
There's that, plus there's the fact that I'd be utterly ashamed to be living in a country who turned the other cheek when people around the world are suffering and dying from a natural disaster, or from famine and disease, or are living in poverty due to primitive infrastructure.
Hypothetical question , you are head of this organisation and one group for years have been winging ,asking for special consideration and threatening to leave, then one day you find out they are afraid to leave , how would you reward them
Hypothetical question but say you had a really important decision to make about the future of your country, and some crazy old opinionated crackpot (who has lived on the other side of the world for 30 years and who likes to stir **** all the time), tries to influence your decision, would you bother to consider a single word they ever say?
That's so naive, how many billions have been sent? do you actually think that the money given through foreign aid is really making a difference? I would love an actual figure of all the money raised to comic relief, foreign aid, all the money from all the european countries sent to africa. That figure would be astrinomical, probably enough to install plumbing through the whole country, provide toilets, clean water or give them the ability to grow their own food. I never said that our country should turn the other cheek. However scrap the 10b aid, hand the money back to the working public and let them decide what charities they wish to support. People can then make donations to charities that actually make a difference. The foreign Aid is given powerful people in poor countries who buy arms, who control their people. Billions sent to Pakistan through foreign aid, yet Pakistan are spending huge sums on a space program! Millions in slums and the money we send goes on a space program. It's a joke.
It's not naive at all. While it's been misappropriated in years gone by, it's far more tightly controlled these days as to where foreign aid goes. Naive of you think all the aid sent to the 'country' of Africa could do all the things you list. It has made a big difference to a lot of people though. I agree about India's space program to an extent but it doesn't mean you stop all foreign aid to everyone.
I think all the money sent from europe so England Germany, Spain, France, sweden all the power houses over the last 50 years could have been so much better spent. I feel the money is used to keep people in line, ensure that millions of people dont cross the borders and head for europe. But it wont work forever
So we are approaching EU D Day and according to this poll we are out! 40 votes to 29! Bring on BREXIT!!!!!!
Congratulations. Pleased for you. So when I lose my job ( yes, when, not if ) will you be subsidising my benefit claim for me with your new found wealth?
