Off Topic EU deabte. Which way are you voting ?

If we have tighter border controls and policies, the French and others may feel inclined to stem the flow much further back, or even look at tackling the root of the problem. As it is, the current policy is fueling a growth in far right extremists, and leaving vulnerable people suffering.

 

So you're hoping that by leaving the EU we might influence the EU to change its immigration policies and border controls?

If we leave the EU, we will have **** all influence over anything they do, that's the whole point!

 

I suppose you can spin it that way. It's not a nice thought for those suffering due to the current policies. I'd see it more as an opportunity to redirect what we're spending on tackling the symptoms, to more effort in helping approach the causes. I see that as more sustainable in the long term, and more humane.

At least most agree that the current EU policies fail.

 

Clearly that's not what all Brexiters are about, there's been plenty of proper debate and good reasoning put forward by Out voters on this thread regardless of anyone putting forward other views you may find less tasteful.

 

There are some on the remain side that have such a one eyed, and generally inaccurate view on why some want out of Europe, they're unlikely to view things clearly.

 

You are right, but how many illegals get here, compared to legal ones.

Euro tunnel get fined for every illegal that gets to the UK, they will soon be out of business, same with the ferries.

 

We have little to no influence now, so we would lose nothing, in fact if we leave other countries would want out, the EU would fail and then we could start again as it should be a common market and just that.

 

True and I have been an observer through the most part because ultimately I want what is best for myself and my family. However you can offer me financial stability, you can show me the negatives of voting 'in', all the sums and figures. However all these advantages become null and void as soon as the reality hits home that I'm going to be siding with Right wing groups who lets be honest can't stand anyone unless they are Caucasian....fact.....base fact but fact. I, nor my family can change that I am not Caucasian...I am not prepared to risk watching and supporting the Brexiters who will no doubt make my life a misery in the long run due to their bigotry. Bigotry that rears it's ugly head in so many propaganda stunts organised by Brexit minds. Be it a rally or a poster.

I can see the patterns developing. Brexit is a stepping stone for the Right wingers who in principle are just like ISIS in thought, they just don't have the means. The hatred is there, hidden behind suits and boots.

So for me it will always be 'IN' because it means scuppering the right wingers who are a bunch of ****ing hooligans that are not to be trusted.

 

The problem is the UK and its allies have obliterated their cities and would rather spend money bombing them. On top of that we supply the arms, largely via Saudi Arabia, for the people they are fleeing from but will not supply those who would fight ISIS. Once we stop the bombing and arms supply then I agree that we should help to rebuild the countries, but as that will affect our arms exports I don't expect that to happen anytime soon.

 

If we leave it will definitely be interesting to see how the rest of the EU reacts. I think referendums in Holland, Denmark and the Czech Republic as a minimum would probably follow on from ours soon after a leave vote. And whether it would create a domino effect would be fascinating to watch, particularly if a different European vision was put forward.

 

Voting in, is one sure way of increasing the numbers of right wing extremists and having less opportunity to curtail it.

 

The actions/inactions in Syria are linked to the EU european neighbourhood policy.

 

Voting out gives the power to the right wing extremists.

 

It gives the power to the British electorate, who to the best of my knowledge, are not right wing extremists.

The lack of perceived influence is one of a number of factors that is causing an increase in right wing extremism across Europe. That will grow if we remain.

 

It will create a more right wing Tory party who will most likely win the next election.

If you're not a right wing Tory or UKIP supporter then you'd be mad to vote Out.

 

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So the "EU European neighbourhood policy" existed before the problems in the Middle East did it.

 

The current lot are barely right wing, and in power because the elements to rate believe they're better than the alternatives on offer. The parliamentary process stops extremism in Government.

Extremist pressure groups are far more damaging than a tory government. And extremist groups are growing rapidly across Europe now. This will grow if we remain.

 

Mate my father came here in the 60's with no religious agenda whatsoever. There was no internet and social media to stoke up fires. Came here worked in the mills. We got schooled here, English is my first language I would say and it certainly is in my kids. We wear 'western' clothes say our 'pleases' and 'thank you's. YET that element of Right wing hatred stoking up the ignorant has always been there. It was the National Front back in the day, followers hounding the minorities and now having grown up through 4 decades here, guess what, it's still here, reminding us subtly that we do not belong here.

So if I vote 'out' do you think that will make the right wingers all of a sudden think, yes we are all united against the rest and drop all their ideologies or will they just see it as a more controlled way of achieving their goals.

Most nations that isolate themselves from other countries and collective policies usually find themselves in a civil war sooner or later. There is nothing worse than giving a single mindset power, especially if that group of people have an equivalent of the Nazi Brown Shirts, standing in waiting. No ****ing chance will I risk that.....and it's not far fetched. Every decade in my life has witnessed something of this sort and the worlds history is loaded with it from Hitler to Yugoslavia in the 90's to the current problem of ISIS. This first step in all these cases is usually isolation of the country that usually creates the eventual genocides. Don't think it can't happen here, Naaah, **** that, I'm not prepared to vote for something that could plant the seeds for such atrocities.

If arseholes come through them borders, then we will deal with them like we deal with the rest...we have laws for that. So not worried about that more than I am worried about the confidence it will give the Right wing.

 

It came in about 2003/2004, but stems from earlier discussions.

 

25% of the British electorate voted in a government that is economically an extremist right-wing government.