Off Topic European Debate Thread

The consequence of a Brexit would be an immediate affect on stocks, interest rates and exchange rates due to uncertainty

 

Cuts are a consequence of poor economic decisions descending from the government choosing austerity as opposed to growing.

Tax dodging also doesn't help

 

The Nursing union backs out

The fishermen want out.

The builders want out.

The Farmers want out.

Says something is not right when the above all say they wish to be out.

Vote Leave next week.

 

Not really is it, that is YOUR opinion.

Tax dodging, do you mean Starbucks and the likes? Companies who saw a loop hole in the tax system.

Or do you mean the places like these car wash companies springing up for example.

 

The Eu can help to close loopholes across Europe by getting countries working together to unite against it.

 

We've been in the EU now for 40 years so it can't be that high on their priority list then.

The trouble is MTG is you sprout this ****e like we are about to join the EU. When in truth we've been in it for more than twice your age and really all its done is think of itself.
Bit like the secret freemasons club.
Ask the Spanish, Italians and Greeks if they enjoy being in the Euro.

 

Former HSBC boss, Michael Geoghegan outlines the economic dangers attached to remaining a member of the European Union; dispels the myths surrounding the Single Market and highlights the riches that await the UK outside of political union as a sovereign, independent country.

"Most of the concerns for business about leaving the EU have been overstated, such as leaving the much-vaunted Single Market. It was meant to be the economic pay-off for surrendering so much independence.

But it has not delivered. British trade with Europe in the two decades before the Single Market was introduced in 1992 actually increased more quickly than in the decades since. It has instead turned into a rule-generating mechanism in Brussels under the guise of “harmonisation”.

It is absurd to suggest Britain cannot thrive outside the EU. It is too big an economy to be ignored. For any country that wishes to alienate Britain there are many more that will want to increase their trade with it.

As an outward looking trading nation, Britain more than ever needs the freedom to rebuild its strength for its own requirements.

The country will benefit from regaining control over its contribution to the EU and those such as farmers and scientists who receive grants need not lose a penny.

Britain needs a strong financial system to power and diversify the wider economy. This can be achieved far better if the UK is free from the constant threats to competitiveness that Brussels poses.

The safe and secure option for Britain’s economic future is to vote Leave this Thursday."

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Leave: ‘It is absurd to suggest Britain cannot thrive outside the EU'
After the tumult and tragedy of the campaign, it is vital that voters go into Thursday’s vote focused on a sober assessment of the issues.
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No.

Mr Osbourne is a serial bullshitter. How has he fared with the targets he set himself? He is Bas Savage v Yeovil there. He has failed to get predictions right for financial quarters. And yet here he is now predicting that the future if it does not go his way will necessitate savage cuts, rises in tax.

Mr Osbourne would need cross party support to carry out his grubby emergency budget threat. He would not get it.

Its project fear at its worst ... Pathetic stuff from the Remainiacs. "Vote to stay in the EU or I'll scream and scream and scream until I'm sick."

 

Well It seems we have "Project Fear" v "Project Head in the Sand"

Just on a political tangent, Osborne may not have got it right yet but at least he is trying to do something after his opponents basically bankrupted the country. Talikng of serial bullshitters, does the phrase "no more boom or bust" ring a bell...?
http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=no more boom or bust&view=detail&mid=64E775D5F2CE9600B53664E775D5F2CE9600B536&FORM=VIRE

Both sides are as bad as each other in this respect so this really is a void argument as they are all at it.

Likewise, I pretty much guarantee you that there are a very small percentage of companies who do not "massage" their figures in one shape or form to paint a better picture, some of you on here are business owners so let the casting of stones commence.

A few "fact-etts" then

- Our trade with the EU is 13% of GDP
- the number of MP's who voted for the expansion of the EU = 491, the number who voted against = 0 (that's right, ZERO).

On point 1, the EU is a vindictive organisation and will not take rejection well, if we exit, the head in the sand attitude that trade will continue as before is pure fantasy. They will make a MASSIVE example of the UK to fire a warning shot across the bows of any other country thinking of doing the same. They will do EVERYTHING IN THEIR POWER to make the UK suffer including hampering their own companies from trading with us (Germany in particular).

I have a real example of this in that when Viktor Orban in Hungary got pissed off with corporations shipping their profits abroad, he imposed a tax on the supermarkets, the banks and the advertising revenue of the media who all scuttled off to the EU whining that "he can't do that". The EU's response..? they tried to destabilise and oust the Government. Luckily, the people of Hungary turned out in the streets in such numbers that they had to drop it..

On point 2, we voted for what we got and now when we don't like it, we want to take our ball and go home. Where were all the detractors and descenters then..?

There is a lot of passion on this board (and elsewhere), nothing wrong with that at all but what worries me a lot is that whilst most people will accept democracy in action, what will happen re the anger exhibited by some (e.g. Jo Cox) if Brexit doesn't happen....


Vote Leave Campaign slogan "nah, that won't happen" = a campaign based on complete and total denial

Vote Leave = a vote for economic suicide, might as well join a queue of lemmings on the cliff.

 

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item 1 ..no we were before we wet in and are worse off now although it still looks good
2 .. oh yes reduced red tape ha ha ha bananas and directives spend a month reading and understanding and worst than the miles of red tape that is still there
3 .. gave us back 25% of the money to cover these and other things (I will gladly have £100 a week from you, and over a period of time give you back £25 or so )
4 .. is that why so many farmers are going out of business .. because subsidies to other countries means they can flood the market with cheaper products! )
5 .. great fantastic so where does the profit go! NOT THE UK
6 .. HOW DO YOU EXPAND WHAT IS THERE ... over the past few years a lot of services have been withdrawn ..
7 .. euro in the s**** deficit in one pot due to miscalculations and over payments so lets take the money from the least worthy project science to the tune of £3b
8 .. not a EURO MARKET DIRECTIVE FROM BRUSSELS a group of companies using there combined skills and finances ?
9 .. AIRBUS no where in the UK is there or was there a place big enough to build the planes of today, or the numbers req .. a number of plane builders threw their hats in the ring for the common good .. there are at least 20 sites in the UK making bits for this venture and for BAE I KNOW I HAVE BEEN TO THEM...
10 .. NEARLY everything STAY comes up with mutton dressed as lamb .. likely a £50 one from some third world eastern Europe country that Brussels gave him £60 to

 

Nigel Farage MEP has not been present at most votes on EU fishing policies. He perhaps is to blame as much as the Eu as to any disgust in the policies. The fishing industry is very small and thus is not a large enough reason to leave if you disagree with it.

 

ACTUALLY the market is currently about 20-30% down on fears we will stay in ..

ALL THE IMPORTANT PEOPLE the billionaires who are the financial wiz kids of being able to "predict the future" are voting leave
HOWEVER if you read your comment a second time ....... YES if we leave ....it would have an immediate affect on stocks they would skyrocket U P

 

W H Y is it so small, your arguments highlight where you go wrong .. because BRUSSELS made it that way .... how does the real world fishing policy go oh yes .. territory out x miles to a point that is eqi distant between 2 countries so between for example dover and Calais we have 11 miles each between us and the Americas we have 200 miles excepting where it falls into territory like Eire or Iceland or Faroes etc poor old FRANCE Germany and Finland HOLLAND DENMARK and Brussels sorry Belgium they got hardly any ..oh hang on they have been told to fish our waters and we will decimate our fleet by 80% to accommodate them .....

 

My point is that the person saying that the Eu is hindering us has done **** all over the years to help us. If we elected some MEPS to actually represent us then we may be in a better position Eu wise.

 

Sorry JGF but that is the complete opposite to what will happen.

 

You need to have power to be able to do something about it. How can the likes of Nigel Farage change it without power? He has been campaigning for change for years. He can only campaign for change as he has no power to do anything else. He cant force the EU to change. He cant force the PM to change. If Farage was the PM then maybe he could. By the way, for the record, im not a fan of Farage.

But to be fair to him, you cant say he has done **** all. You are completely wrong. He has strongly opposed whats happeed to the fishing industry under the EU and has campaigned against this. Also he has managed to force the PM to have a referendum which will hopefully give the UK the power to change things such as the fishing industry. How is that "done **** all"?