The main reason I am unwavering on voting to remain in is the economy. I have not seen any hard data from BREXIT as to any advantage. Lots of rhetoric but no hard facts. As I read it only one major world leader is supporting BREXIT - Putin. None of the world financial institutions are supporting BREXIT. I think we may be casting ourselves into the wilderness if we leave........
We are winning Yorkie ! Opposed by such odd bods as Farage, Bojo and George Galloway, but apparently the 'remain' campaign is stuttering, even in these circumstances. It is now official that the remain campaign is being led by oldfrenchhorn, together with Colognehornet, Yorkshirehornet and Vic. supported by our Steptoe friends TootingExcess, qprbeth, sb_73 and QPR Oslo - we are now, officially, the remain team ! No contest really. Seriously though the remain campaign is based on long economic discussions and reasoning, but there is little passion behind it. In opposition we have the Brexit campaign relying on short sharp cliches which are easily repeatable in the pub. A little bit like comparing Led Zeppelin (content) to the Eurovision song contest. Unfortunately our side is being championed by Cameron - who is only waffling, Blair and Major (who are disliked by most of their own parties) Corbyn (only 70% of him). The only passionate speakers for remain have been from the Greens (who have little real influence) and from Sturgeon (who is in the wrong party to influence the English). This is why we have to take over.
Typical remain supporter not giving the full facts. There are TWO world leaders that support Brexit. The other one is Trump.
Article on French news yesterday talking about how the dominant financial centre of the EU, London, is preparing to move out to Paris, Frankfurt and Dublin should the leave lot win. Before anyone says this is scaremongering, the French had been asked to find offices for thousands of traders and the article went on to give addresses for suitable accommodation attached to the Paris stock exchange. You have to plan ahead if you are in business and be prepared for the worst, so I am hardly surprised that the people who earn so much for the UK are getting ready to move home if necessary.
Then you didn't know that Britain delayed allowing Romanians and Bulgarians free movement for several years? So why did you state the Britain is encouraging immigration from Eastern Europe? What is an adjusted GDP? How can you adjust a GDP? It's a fact that the EU is not growing and has not grown in years despite the rush to add more and more near 3rd world countries to the fold - why do you ignore this? Youth unemployment in Southern Europe is outrageous in the 21st century - why do you ignore this? It's a fact that as an economic "powerhouse" the EU is in serious decline and the elected and unelected in Brussels (and sometimes in Strasbourg) are doing absolutely nothing positive about it. Their only idea is to tax harder and use some of the money (well what's left after they are stocked up their own gravy train) to fund building factories in countries with very low wage costs and export jobs there...that's why they want to add Serbia and Albania ASAP. You say that Britain opened itself up the immigration from Eastern Europe - but as a member of the EU it had no choice. No country had no choice but to implement the various treaties - looked what happened in Ireland - keep voting until you get the result you need! Wonderful democracy. You have no idea of how many Poles are in Britain, neither do I and neither do the British Government - that's the whole issue with free movement, no one knows how many come and go. All the numbers are just SWAGS based on a set of assumptions - even the numbers who apply for a NI number do not match! All of the predictions of the impacts of a Brexit are just that predictions - that are based on assumptions that are heavily biased towards a worse case scenario. There are no real facts as there has not been a Brexit. If there is a Brexit and Britain maintains that it will not allow freedom of movement, then you say that Britain would not be allowed tariff free access to the EU. Well you tell me, who has the most to lose if tariffs are set-up for exports and imports between the UK and the EU? Why is it that I can buy a better quality NZ wine in Tesco cheaper than an equivalent from France? What will those German car manufacturers (that are polluting our country with the fraudulent claims on emissions) do if their UK customers will have to pay extra for their cars? Well let me tell you what one that has only driven Audi's for the last 20 years thinks about it? - "those Kia's are really good looking cars!" A couple of nights ago on the BBC they have a programme that looked at each of the big issues and discussed them from both sides of the debate. One very interesting point and a very typical one that gets buried in the noise. They went to Peterborough, a town that has massively grown in the past few years with immigrants, and interviewed various people that see the impacts every day. One was a GP who was asked about the impacts, she said there were obvious ones like language and a larger patient pool, but the biggest issue was poverty, particularly with families. Because of the lack of housing and the cost of renting, families were living in small cramped poorly maintained housing and she is even now seeing families living in 1 room. One result of this is the increase in respiratory illnesses that is now being seen - even cases of TB are increasing.
Ha, ha - I did not realise it was April 1st again. I could believe Dublin (plenty of empty houses left over from the property bubble crash) and Frankfurt, but Paris? Given the country is almost permanently on strike and getting anything done is virtually impossible, it's hardly credible.
Clearly you are going along with the Farage song sheet, but this was a factual report. Are you trying to say that some of the largest financial companies in the UK are not looking to protect their interests?
Pleased to see that the whole campaign has been shut down for the day following the events in Yorkshire. For an MP or any other person to be shot is not what I believe most people in the UK would ever be prepared to accept.
I said that the UK. was allowing people in from Eastern Europe well before other EU. nations, who had a phased in approach. There was immigration from Eastern Europe throughout the 90s and up to 2010. Germany's intake of migrants from Eastern Europe (particularly from Rumania and Bulgaria) has only been a phenomenon from the last couple of years. The facts on GDP. at the end of 2015 for the EU. it was 18.9 trillion Euros, for the USA it was 18.3 trillion. It is also a fact that the EU. is better at harnessing that wealth for the betterment of its citizens - you can say what you like about unemployment in some southern states of Europe, but it is nothing like as bad as the poverty in the USA. So, it appears that the EU. is the more successfull model. In fact, whatever its faults and needs for reform, it is the most successfull model the World has ever seen.
OFH, I echo those sentiments and admire the dignity shown by her husband in his statement. What makes it worse, if that is possible, is that it was supposed to be her 42nd birthday next Wednesday.
Well he did say leader - or are you in possession of Hillary Clinton's email server and know something that we don't?
Nobody with a sane mind would set up a business in France given a choice of anywhere else. This can only be some wishful thinking by deluded government officials alarmed at the number of French citizens that leave France to find normal working practices in the UK.
They are already here and looking for additional office space. You do not address the problem that many companies in the city would no longer be recognized to carry out transactions that they currently do. A bit more Project Fantasy from you.
Of course they would be contingency planning if they really thought that they would be seriously impacted by a Brexit, just as they have disaster recovery planning, business resumption planning - all sorts of contingency planning. Although my comments were rather off the cuff - the point regarding Paris was serious Only a couple of months ago on the news there were pictures of the CEO of Air Farce climbing over a fence with half his clothes ripped off after a meeting with union members, then there was the manager of a tyre factory in northern France that was held hostage in the factory for weeks. Believe me there are not many corporates, especially US ones that would consider moving the HQ's or large facilities to France, business is just too difficult to do there. The company I work for is a huge American company and over the years it had many senior managers who were French, most of the executive were French and they kept it that way. But for nearly of the 20 years that I have worked there, they have all been based in West London along with their families. That's why I said I could believe if companies really thought a Brexit meant they could no longer do business, then they would consider moving - but I doubt very much to France.
How can you cay that when the UK along with Ireland and Denmark delayed allowing the Bulgarians and Romanians free movement for several years - ALL of the other EU countries allowed them in on the day they joined. Just accept that you are wrong. How do you know about poverty in the US - where are your facts? You also ask for facts, but slow on presenting your own. Just wait until after next week and the news will turn back to Greece and once again they will not be able to pay their loans back to Germany and they will be obliged to lose even more sovereignty - the news will turn back to the hundreds of thousands of economic migrants trying to get to Europe - the news will turn back to Turkey's demands for controlling the flow of economic migrants and what mad Merkel will give away to get it - the news will turn back to the lack of growth in the EU, rising unemployment & social unrest. If the current EU is the most successful model the world has ever seen then god help us all - in 10 years we will wish it was Joe Stalin in charge.
As W-Y has already adequately pointed out if any business decides to relocate the last place would be France withs its anti American, anti business attitude. Sir, the fantasy is entirely yours. France maybe an excellent place to retire to, not a place to do business. I have several personal contacts that closed their businesses in France due to crippling taxation.
