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Off Topic Education... what's it to you?

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  1. Gordon Armstrong

    Gordon Armstrong Just another S.A.F.C. fan Forum Moderator

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    Arsenal's colours :emoticon-0100-smile
     
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  2. Commachio

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    200m? Handy having your local guiness watering hole virtually next door.
     
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  3. Blunham Mackem

    Blunham Mackem Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    Missed out stripes didn't I <doh>
     
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  4. Blunham Mackem

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    I meant 200 miles. Not taking bambino's into a pub to watch footy.
     
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  5. Commachio

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    Uni v apprentices.

    If i can use Blunham daughter for example. More cos im shocked as i always struggle to find a good architect.

    Lets say (ive no idea) 4 years at Uni. So finished by the age of 22.

    Now compare that with starting an apprenticeship with a company (if you could find one) doing architecture.

    Surely the apprenticeship wins hands down?
     
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  6. Tel (they/them)

    Tel (they/them) Sucky’s Bailiff

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    Do architects offer apprenticeships? There'd be sacrifices to be made I'd imagine, probably location for starters.
     
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  7. QWOP

    QWOP Well-Known Member

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    You'd only get an architectural technician via that route. A degree takes 7 years I believe (Part 1, 2 and 3 takes time to attain) to become an actual architect.
     
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  8. QWOP

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    HNC and HND routes are available but you wouldn't be an architect. You'd be an architect techinican
     
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  9. Commachio

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    Ive no idea.
     
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  10. Commachio

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    This is the part i dont get. So its all down to a bit of paper?

    What would you learn differently or better at uni over on the job training?
     
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  11. Brian Storm

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    The term Apprenticeships isn't what was. You can do apprenticeship in MacDonalds now. Now internships are coming into play now too where folk don't even get a living wage for working 40 hour weeks.

    Think there's become such a narrow margin of error when leaving school now. The wrong decision can and probably will with most, waste half a decade of their lives or more. It's tough to know what you want from life at that age which will lead to this mistake being made often. 'Orrid professional world these kids are being released into. Don't envy them at all.
     
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  12. QWOP

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    I think the depth of knowledge would be greater in a degree. You'd get a more technical person. The HND covers far less work and to be an architect, they would still need the degree, albeit they could start it at a later point.
     
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  13. Tel (they/them)

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    It's only getting harder innit, I understand the need for experience over a fresh graduate, but the guys giving jobs out could be missing out on the next big thing without knowing about it.

    All the while, they're being forced to accept, black, muslim, disabled people for example, due to diversity laws, that makes it even harder.

    It's tough graft, I really don't envy them either.
     
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  14. Brian Storm

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    Those Diversity laws don't extend to mental disabilities. I'm a 3nd class applicant. I can't get work because I declare my disability. My experience and knowledge in my field is more than adequate and have good references. There's still too much stigma attached to mental health which is making it tough for me.

    Not that I think I should get special allowances. I don't. I want a level playing field where my skills are chosen on their own merits.
     
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  15. Tel (they/them)

    Tel (they/them) Sucky’s Bailiff

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    And that's a bit of a catch 22 as well, having a job can go some way to recovering for certain things like anxiety and depression, when they have a task to focus on.
     
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  16. Brian Storm

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    I thrive mate, I struggle to set my own routine, but when one is put in place I piss it, can organise my life around it and everything drops into place. But there's always going to the odd month in a couple years where my depression is going to keep me off or my Mania is going to be too much of a danger in the work place. This is a put off as I might need time off once in a while. If it was physical like thrombosis playing up once in a while then they can't discriminate. Allowances are made. Some of the people I worked with were never there due to illness. They seemed to get their job just fine. They're still scared of the crazies mate.

    Young uns, older people, those with mental disabilities and ex servicemen with disibilites, all face a world of hell in the professional world in trying to forge a path. Tough brutal world to gain a footing in.
     
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  17. Tel (they/them)

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    Can you not do temp stuff then mate, is that not a way around the jobs that would require somebody more permanent, who'd otherwise turn you away?

    It'd do my head in, fortunately I've never really been discriminated against, unless you count not letting my fly Tornado's because I'm colour blind, it was probably for the best <laugh>
     
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  18. Blunham Mackem

    Blunham Mackem Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    Graduating from uni is just the start for Architects Comm.

    It takes 7 years to be fully fledged.
     
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  19. Disco down under

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    I had to get a degree in order to get unpaid work in advertising/tv/film.

    A lot get in through friends/family connections but other's it's beating down doors. Once you've beaten down hundreds (literally) of doors a degree shows, to some extent you're no clown and you've got drive to do the job. It's just a filtering process.
     
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  20. Tel (they/them)

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    Criminal damage charges may ensue also.
     
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