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Off Topic The positive case for Remain

Discussion in 'Sunderland' started by Washysafc, Jun 3, 2016.

  1. Commachio

    Commachio Rambo 2021

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    Guess me and you are alone on this one. Yet considering our different outlooks on everyday.

    Its only the outers shouting.
     
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  2. MrRAWhite

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    I think you have a point there..My theory is that the silent majority will vote to stay in..Obviously the bookies suspect the same thing..
     
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    John Major was shouting pretty loud today for the inners
     
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    Bit similar to the Scottish refferendum where the leave voters shoutest the loudest but lost. That's what i think will happen here. We will end up staying in cos most people don't like change in any walk of life. Better the devil you know etc.
    By the way...i'll be voting out.
     
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  5. MrRAWhite

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    I believe that coming out willl make this country even more London/South east orientated than it is now...The EU tend to offer help and support to the regions which our own government would never do..
     
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  6. Commachio

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    Or people have their own opinions/agendas.

    Is that so wrong?
     
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  8. Commachio

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    I sense a typical bully boy tactic. I wont back down.
     
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  9. Bexinio

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    Ah you mean like the fishing industry......hang on I mean the steel industry......damn well I hope they protect our traditional good old fashioned call centres anyway!!!
     
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  10. Commachio

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    Sorry im lost here. Are you blaming ths demise on all kf our traditional industries on the EU or just cherry picking?
     
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    As far as I'm aware unemployment in the UK isn't particularly high at the moment.

    If you're mourning our lack of creation, export opportunities and need for imported goods that's not the EU's fault. That would be our fault for failing to remain competitive when other countries have.

    Those industries died because the world we lived in changed and the need was no longer there for them.
     
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  12. Bexinio

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    No we don't grow cherries mate. What we did have is large waters with plenty of fish. I was up in North/South Shields/Tynemouth and saw what the EU has done with our fishing industry. You could even see the Dutch fishing fleet from Tynemouth off the coast fishing in the UK waters but that's ok because at least the UK can buy it back I suppose. there could always be other ways such as a local assembly spending the taxes in the northeast that is collected back into the northeast, but I'm sure there are many other ways too and I certainly agree with you that London/South cannot be allowed to dominate as much as in the past
     
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    We don't eat fish any more?????
     
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    Not at the cost of us catching them, no.

    If a dutch bloke offers me a fish for a fiver and a bloke from Hartlepool offers me the same fish for a tenner... I'll tell the Hartlepool lad the dutch bloke was a cheesehead while I drink the pint I bought with my change.
     
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  15. Bexinio

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    Look I'm not saying the EU is evil and being independent wouldn't be without its own problems but we are the 5th largest GDP country in the world and have always been good with trading with other nations. As mentioned above the EU has double the unemployment rate as the UK and I feel is actually holding us back in some ways as the EU is most certainly the slowest economy in the world for the past few years.
     
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  16. Bexinio

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    That's making a lot of assumptions on the prices, I'm not saying you are wrong but I think it's more about fishing rights than prices
     
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    That's fair enough but just to play devils advocate... Maybe they've helped us get into such an impressive state?

    Maybe without them we'd be the 10th largest GDP in the world?

    My point is that no ****er really seems to know what will happen but we're doing pretty ok as it stands.

    I'm not in or out. See the merits to both sides.
     
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  18. Commachio

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    I agree with you 100% on the fishing rights.

    But why now. Its been happening for decades. To blame this now is unjust. This should have been fought decades ago.

    Lets blame the older goverments for that. Not this one.


    Imo. Older goverments ****ed up, now you all wanna blame it on this one.
     
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    Also I must point out that your argument goes the other way too, African farmers can give up cheaper food but we subsidies European farmers to make them cheaper so essentially we pay out money already to buy things at a lower perceived cost and heavily tax other food sources.
     
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    Totally agree nobody really knows and I promise you all I'm just doing the same playing the devils advocate because I need to feel comfortable in my vote and want as much information and input as possible as I feel this is the most important vote for ages.
     
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