Will we ever be a top performing club again?

Yawn.

You've been ripped a new one here love, put up or ****ing shut up, there's a good lad

 

Keep trying unkie tobes.

Everyone here chuckled at your little boasts about your billionaire owner.... your attempts here at deflection are hilarious.

 

Sad... cos dear Biscan forgot one thing.


Those so called class b players.... only join a team like stoke IF they've absolutely no other option and want to move on asap

Just a little fact you want to ignore. Sure a payet turns up once in a while.. or a Kante... they are poached immediately. There's greedy eyes already on these players.

 

No you argumentative biff , they take the Stoke option because they've offered their club and them the most ****ing money.

You've just shot yourself in the foot with your second point an all. As neither Payet nor Kante will be going anywhere this summer. why? Because their clubs have / will give them a pay hike - as they can afford to.........boooommm

 

^^^ This

 

There are several consequences of this " bunching" at the top.

1. It makes a team running away with league winning it in December and by 15-20 points unlikely.

2. (The worrying bit) it makes the position of mid ranking clubs very fluid from season to season. Teams like West Ham Southampton Stoke and even LFC could be competing for Europe one season but languishing in the bottom half or fighting relegation the next. I am putting money on Leicester being relegated!

3. (The hopeful bit) as there is bunching, if the players and the manager and the system gel, then any team could compete for the title. This is no longer fanciful. No more accusations of being deluded. Next season could indeed be our year

4. The club that gets it wrong gets into trouble very quickly as they get beaten by most teams. Hence the Villa example. There will be no such thing as being too big to go down. For example, WBA and Everton could be at risk and follow newcastle if they mess up.

5. This bunching makes IMO the searching of that defining advantage crucial. The star manager (Klopp, Pep ) could be it or that star player (messi, Ronaldo, Suarez ). Otherwise what's the difference between LFC and Everton ? Hard working, non stop running, Spending power and crowd supports are bunching up.

6. Even the top teams have to work hard to win. "Match their physicality and then the quality will shine through" means the Klopp's all match and all team pressing and running will be matched by most other teams. We've got to have better quality players.

Next season could be the most competitive the most unpredictable and the most exciting we've had. I can't wait.

 

dear oh dear....

must i explain everything to you

NOBODY wants to go to stoke.. they end up at stoke cos the clubs with good nightclubs and hookers don't want them. They end up at stoke cos they sat in bayern for 2 years too long enjoying the easy life then move for glamour to inter where they get a rude awakening and then they jump at the few offered left to them.

simples

plus... if you think kante's 20mil release clause won't be triggered fine... keep thinking it... theres zero need for him to sign anything at leicester while the merry go round is on.

oh and west ham;'s spiv owners are already on record that they won't pay 100k even so when theres 150-180k available elsewhere... well...

Plus your booom...

you klopp wannabe.

lukaku... "time to leave"
stones... hmmm.

barkely.. fat sack, probably wil lwanna go and all.

total back fire...

 

#meltdown

Of course no-one wants to go to Stoke, but why do they? THE CASH, they can now offer which is greater than the rest of Europe barring the elites, who don't want the 'B' level players.....

A release clause (assuming Kante does actually have one) is a separate issue to whether they would CHOOSE to sell for any amount of cash or be able (which they are) to offer him a massive contract hike.

So West Ham's owners won't pay anyone £100k a week? Really?

You sure about that.....

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/dimitri-payet-signs-bumper-new-7353727

Booooommmmm

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1. not true... those circumstances were not all that common at any time. they did occur but with 19 games gone in december to have 15 points lead.. well. thats a point a game and vitrtually required FM type scores

2. this is true. mid ranking clubs like everton and stoke can move up and move down based on a couple of issues.. like when lescott left eveton and they had an awful start to the season.. or when stoke final shed the negativity of pulis targetting 42 points and no more.. Or when LFc sign badontelly and rely on sturridge not getting an injury ooops.... All it would take is a bad start for a sie like west ham or southampton to find themselves in and around 10th and really just saying ok .. lets look at the cups. In the olden days when i was young the FA cup was not won out of the top 4 year after year, sides like utd would be 10th or whatever and really go for it.... the reality is sides like spurs and leicester dump the cup to focus on one extra league place

3. I don't think ANY team can compete but any team that gets a really good start can stay close for a while. Leicester are unique as despite all the hindsight and optimists they have been totally unique in staying up there consistently... and accelerating. We've seen numerous times in the past sides get a good start then fade off. You've got to have a lot of luck for the 38 games to keep all fit, dump the cup distractions etc. for LFc to win it they'd need sturridge fit for 38 games, other players to not bottle it and klopp to fix the defense. I think klopp can fix the defence but the luck element is just what rogers didn't have. Yes any side can all all the planets align but thats extremely rare and its FAR MORE LIKELY (despite tobes arguing) that City, cheslea and utd will be most likely to win it.

4. Yes clubs getting it wrong will be in trouble but not only form the other prem teams. The prem has gotten worse and yet another proof (tobes will no doubt deny) is that championship clubs look like they can all survive when the come up. Bournemouth for example. the seem better organised than the prem clubs going down.

Villa for years have been badly run at the top and it finally bit them.. they could be league one.. look at blackpool and pompey whee they ended up.

before the clubs coming up were facing teams who could actually defend. I find in general the difference between us and europe is ability to defend properly. the english league likes 20 chances a game and 5 on target where as a good spanish game might have 5 real chances and more possession play with less gaps. Now a promoted team faces guys who can't defend and can get enough goals to survive.

5. Its not fair to compare everton to LFC. everton have worked very hard and diligently for years to build thier side.. despite martinez not caring about defense and letting the fitness go. LFc are a bit of a shambles with the committee and rogers. Better to say thats the difference between everton and Man Utd.... a world of difference... and there will be going forward

6. alex ferguson speech: http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/34448977... not hard not new... the top sides barring city have shown this forever... working hard is not a revolutionary thought. Perhaps the rich cossetted players coming up now have no concept of it.. but the top managers and big clubs all know baout it.

.......................

The funny thing abut this "great leveller" of tv money is everyone ignores the clamour to build new stadia to catch arsenal and utd in revenue...

Utd 76k for how long?
l'arse 60k all paid and how much cash on hand 100-200mil?
Citeh handed a ground
West ham handed 60k
spurs building
LFC half asred building (why is the anfield road end not progressed past an if????)
Chelsea planning
Everton promising?

If the TV money was all this why would a club like leicester have moved once to a new ground and be talking about building again?... increased revenue.

All this extra TV cash just flushes through the game. The smart and bigger clubs are reorganising and building facilities.

some cut their cloth and some deal globally and drive massive extra revenues to pay that 300k per week.

utd are even touted as potentially paying 400k per week to ibrahimovic.... when he turns up in stoke let me know.. i'll pile the house on for the league title.

 

oh dear tobes you are now confused.

first people will go cos there loads of money now nobody wants to.... make your mind up...

kantes clause is well known about. if you think any offer for leicester would stop him moving for a higher wage fine... keep believing it.

how much you offering lukaku to stay then?

 

Me confused? I think you'll find that anyone reading this thread would conclude that it's you and your 'facts' that are somewhat confused mate

 

The same can be asked of:
Manchester United
Manchester City
Chelsea
Everton
Tottenham
The only difference, is that we have not won the league for a long time.

 

doubt it....

 

and everton and tottenham have???????

 

NO.

 

so why put them in the same breath as the real big clubs then?

after all the amount of cake being had and also eaten on this thread would suggest that despite the fact clubs never ever get close to winning it everyone can win it... except of course for LFC

 

Sorry, I should have been more definitive, your 'facts' weren't confused, just plain wrong

 

you are getting ever more desperate.

unable to prove anything you attack the actual facts i posted wihtout recourse to any evidence of your won and lath onto to anyone's comments like B grad players... <luagh>

the fun thing is when everton get picked over this summer and end up with some failed manager (hows the search going btw) tobes will be blaming the mega rich at the top for ruining it for the rest.

how is lukaku working out for you?

Or stones when you refused to sell?

has mourinho or koeman joined you get?

or shock .. the big clubs at the top are the most attractive and will dominate the top of the table.

8 in to 4 simply doesn't go and some will end up blowing up each year as a result... no amount of arguing from you just cos you want to will change that.

 

MITO's 'facts'

West Ham won't pay £100k wages - wrong

Italy are catching us up in the co-efficient table - wrong

England has sunk in the co-efficient table for the last 5 years - wrong

Suck it up mate

 

no those are your facts

My facts should be quoted.. care to?

oh but of course that's your loser tactic.. i forgot.

tobes finds one source for one west ham contract... so they pay everyone 100k? this is the same club hwo made up **** about charlie autsin to show why to their fans they didn't get him.

Italy not catching... due to why tobes.. other than the fact the trend was clearly catching up until this one season where i proved city got a total dolly of a draw and LFc rode thier luck... And ignores why i published about the fall off in points accumulated by the big teams that prop up the stat... and all the 100s of articles about how serious it was... unitl juve got done by bayern (barely) and city ended up with kiev FFS...

When italy close in AGAIN this next year what will you be saying? a trend is a trend but tobes loves the one off tiny bit of contradictory evidence.

as for has england sunk... oh dear tobes you are so wrong.... you have walked into one... england were where in the uefa coefficients 2 years ago? 2nd where last season... 3rd. thats called falling... where were we 5 years back.. 1st.

76.2 (3rd)
80.3 (2nd)
84.7 (2nd)
82.96 (2nd)
84.41 (1st)

dear oh dear tobes...

shall i post a tired boxer knock out gif now like you would.