Transfer goss and rumours, Summer 2016.

I agree with most of what you're saying but i don't think we can rip things up with a 3-4 year rebuild model. Quite literally the only way to become a consistently good enough Pl side is by doing what we are doing ´not good enough for the PL/a bit too good for the Championship´ and finally stop the yoyo in the PL because evrytime we drop we lose our best.
If we don't bounce back straight away we have more clubs coming down with more money, then same again year on year, so it will get harder and harder. Right now we look a great bet for promotion, especially to those outside the club:- Just come down, parachute payments, promoted straight back last time, bookies favourites. If we fail to buy wisely and get straight up again, we risk all of that. The best champ players will either go to the PL or a freshly relegated sides with more money. Our best players will do likewise. so 3-4years becomes 6-7 as our best and brightest get cherry picked because we won't go for it and can't replace them because the other gooduns are also being pinched. There sides in the champ who will likely out spend us this summer to take a punt at the PL we must give everything possible to try to get back this season, even if that involves taking a calculated risk and taking on a modest loan (I'm talking modest by football standards, £10M for example) though I don't think it should be necessary as the club should have a fair bit of wedge as is.

Bah!

 

Perhaps we'll offer Ricky in part exchange

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...tml?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490

 

Saw this earlier on a French web. If this is true I would guess Tetty could be on his way, along with, hopefully, Mulumbu, who was a strange signing in the first place. Dorrans is one who could stay or go and make little difference to the squad. An adequate player at best.

 

Bloody hell! What a signing/statement this would be!

http://www.sportsmole.co.uk/footbal...report-boro-swoop-for-ajax-winger_273359.html

 

WHY do we need ANOTHER holding midfielder FFS!

 

Presumably because the ones we have are all ****e !

 

I'm confused by a lot of the comments on here.. Not long ago just about everyone was moaning and blaming the club for not recruiting, now it's, "keep what we've got"??????????
This group of players didn't turn up half the time, never mind what league we were in at the time, THEY SHOULD TURN UP EVERY GAME. So as far as I'm concerned a lot of them need to go and replacements brought in, players who want to play for my club and will be there every week! If by some miracle we do get promoted well have the same players as we had last season, thats not going forward or planning for the future. It looks like we are planning to stay in the Championship for a while with this attitude!

 

Excellent post ILD and as I said in a previous post, this is not the way forward, but more of the same. Yes, AN and others can say that the players got us promoted, so they should be given the chance again - I'm sorry, but NO - as IF we do get promoted, we still won't be able to offload those who aren't good enough to keep us in the PL or recruit the calibre of players we DO need!!!! I'm getting quite concerned that we're going to see pretty much the same squad as we have had for the last 3 or more seasons and we can't rely on Klose (if he stays) to get us out of the mire!!!
Rant over!!!!

 

The players are good enough, it's a case of whether or not the manager can motivate them into playing to the best of their ability.

 

If the players are good enough how come most of them have got us relegated TWICE and under different managers. Some of the players ARE good enough, but sadly the majority just do not cut the mustard. How many offers do you expect for Martin, Bassong (6 relegations on his CV ), Hoolahan, Whittaker, Ruddy Jerome, Turner, RvW, and several more. We WILL keep most of them, but only because no-one else wants them

 

Spot on GE and I know several of them have young families etc living in the area, so wouldn't want to move!!!
AN may make all the right sounds, but I'm not sure he has the 'Eds' to actually cull a few of those you mentioned!!!!

 

If we keep on doing the same thing we'll get the same result.

If an engineer built the same thing twice and it didn't work. He'd either build it differently or change the materials used.

It seems the club has decided to stick with AN (doing the same thing), so we need to change the players (materials).

Sooner or later another engineer will build something better, which is what many championship teams have done. If we don't build something better then we will go down the pecking order. The championship will be even harder to get out of this time and we didn't exactly do it easily last time.

Of course if we're happy with what we've got then there's no need to change.

Its really not that difficult.

 

I don't think anyone is disputing that a number of them aren't good enough for the PL. But here's the rub, we ain't in the PL, so we assess them for the championship and in the championship most of them have good records. Hoolihan might be the only one who has been around long enough to have experienced a championship campaign for Norwich that did not result in promotion.

Do I think most of our players can play in a top end championship team? Yes that's one good reason to keep them.

Will we be able to keep them and have them on shorter contracts than any new additions? Yes, so if we get promoted these champ quality players will be easier to discard than a new champ level player (That is all we will get, PL quality players won't come to us!)

Will we get offers for the players you list (Hoolahan, Whittaker, Ruddy Jerome, Turner, RvW, and several more)? Not likely, so what do you propose? Pay off their contracts and get in a whole new team? How much better do you think the incoming players will be? Why spend all of that when these players are capable at this level?

As you say it will be difficult to offload the majority, I would say though that were; Martin, Ruddy, Jerome all made available they would get snapped up by other champ sides because they have all shown great quality at this level. But I think those 3 and Hoolihan will again be good for us this season and any money we could get for them would be insufficient to get a better replacement.
Some evolution of the squad would be good, if we can get a striker who might be able to make the transition to the PL that would be great, they will of course be much harder to get as a champ side. But could we find the next C.Wilson, J Vardy, Ighalo, Deeney? That's what we need not a £12M 29 yr old scot.
What ever happens though I would be happy if we started next season with our current squad +1 striker and replace any leavers. They are good at this level, I just wouldn't be extending the likes of Bass, RvW, Turner, Jerome etc. So that if we go up, the squad refresh should be easier.

Bah!

 

Carrow
I was always told that 'you learn more from your mistakes than from your successes', but from what is now being said, the nucleus of team is unlikely to change much!!!!

 

You are absolutely right, we must keep the manager and this same squad because they will do the same thing......get promoted! is that not we did with this manager and mostly these players last championship season?

The engineer can only work with the materials available, in the championship those materials will be champ quality, unfortunitely the engineer went to the market last summer and failed to get the new materials he required and consequently and unsurprisingly failed. Will he and the engineers financial controllers have learnt from this? We can but hope!

Once promoted, absolutely time for squad revolution and certainly heavy investment in a goal scorer and CB. But how much better than the current players do you think the financial controllers will authorise? Or will be at the market we're now shopping at?

Bah!

 

I´m not sure what you´re confused about ILD. ´Not long ago´ we were in the Premier League, where the players we had at our disposal were only barely good enough (if that) to stay there, therefore people were moaning ( and rightly so) that we should have recruited better last summer. Now we´re in the Championship, and this group of players have proven that they are perfectly competitive at this level. Any mass recruitment now, is unlikely to bring in anyone who is actually better than what we already have, and will in all likelihood be a retrograde step.

I´m amazed that those who are so desperate to get back to the PL at the first attempt, can´t see the logic of what Neil is trying to do. There´s absolutely no point in swapping good, proven, Championship - level players with more (possibly untried, unproven) Championship - level players, or do you think Premier League players are just waiting by the phone to get a call, to join our pilgrimage back to the promised land.

And contrary to your assessment, the players we had last year, all turned up every game, they were just found wanting at that level, on too many occasions - it was never lack of effort, just lack of quality.

 

I read the same, or very similar comments season after season on various boards (Ipswich, QPR, Cardiff, Leeds etc) and I just don't buy it, not even a little. The average team that gets promoted is not ready for the PL and that is a feature that never changes so it should not be harder for us to bounce back again, as long as we keep most of our best players, with the addition of a few that are an improvement on what we get rid of.

This coming season may or may not be different and I guess most would think we will be chasing just one automatic spot as Newcastle will walk the league. Perhaps they should and perhaps they will, but they might not but I don't see many "real" contenders for 2nd place, certainly none that NCFC should fear.

 

I fully accept what your saying, but we need to plan for the long term not the short term. So if our only goal is to get out of the Championship then we MAY be able to do it with the players we've got, but surely we need to be looking further ahead than that and thinking about how we are going to stay in the PL should we get there. We can't have a championship team and if we get promoted buy an entirely new PL team. So we need to construct a team now which can get us out of the Championship and with some new additions (should we get promoted) compete it the PL. So we need to freshen up keep those that can compete in the PL (there's not many), get some players that are not currently PL standard, but have a chance of reaching that standard in a year / 18 months time and bring in some very good championship players who haven't previously had a chance in the PL. Of course this costs money so we are going to need some players on to free up places and finances. Alongside that we need to continue with our youth development programme.

 

Well of the 3 that got promoted 2 are still there, it's only us that came back down and it wasn't that long ago that Leicester were in the championship, in fact they were very nearly in it this season. I'm not sure what part of the statement 'The championship will be even harder to get out of this time and we didn't exactly do it easily last time.'

 

Engineers invent NEW materials to make new and better things.