so sansa stark: A) confronts littlefinger B) declares umber and karstark will hang C) declares shes has the stark name. D) lies to them all about tullys. I think you'll find that this grand alliance everyone wishes for is not going to be all people hope for.
Been saying this, well the part about the Vale fighting for the North. Sansa may trust Jon but still sees herself above him, that she is the one to rule. Anyone else get a feeling that Ayra is going to be contracted to kill Dany at some point, provided she can be accepted. Also can the producers stop kill off the Wolves, only 2 left and one of those is MIA.
I dunno. interesting thought.. I think the whole scene with arya and the play was interesting. I eman she should out like a sore thumb watching ti so I wonder if thats a prelude to her faking the facless men stuff and moving on to venegence properly. I think bascially yes.. the wolves... utterly pointless right now. when snow and sansa rode out you couldn't even see the wolf.. whats like... the point any more.
I agree. Sansa in that scene reminded me of the arrogance and contempt that Cersei held for Tyrion. She's now craving power and this will be her downfall. She arrogantly thinks people will fight for her because she's a Stark. They'll fight for Jon because he's a leader and he's respected. Plus he will soon be unveiled as a Stark Targaryen and thus not only will he have a legitimate claim to the North, but he is also the legitimate ruler. If you watch the play that Arya was watching, they emphasise the importance of the rightful ruler and it's legitimacy etc. There's no coincidence that they wrote those scenes just as we near towards discovering Jons true parents which are without doubt now imo Rhaegar and Lyanne.
I agree. she was in one scene tearing the arse off littlefinger then failed to follow through and just gut the ****... then the next seen she's preening with her info then lies about where she got it, says karstark might still be loyal then both could hang and makes assumptions about all these guys flocking to the cause. There's a LOT of female GoT fans cheering but i think they will absolutely implode when it all goes wrong. The play was interesting. you could see the fear cercei invokes as she was made out to be lady muck while everyone who was "gone" from the scene were made fun of, even tyrion. I agree that there is a clear parentage in all but confirmation but I don't know that it makes jon snow a ruler... If anything it may make him the ideal dragon leader and fighter of white walkers and thats really where it goes. snow v denarys I don't know is a story or not. I have a theory from the prior series offering clues to the future. In season 2 there was an episode called "the North Remembers" this is where robb stark satrts season 2. then ramsey bolton uses the phrase about theon greyjoy talking to sansa last season . "It means that the Northerners don't easily forget past events especially betrayals" now we will be seeing a tv guide saying the north is reminded.. some think this refers to something at the wall. I think its too early for that and it will be something about the two of them riding about gathering banners.
Has John even told Sansa about the whole dying and coming back thing yet ?? Hasn't been mentioned at all, in fact nobody is even talking about it at the wall, apart from the red witch, you'd think they'd all have a little chat about it
dunno. its been moved past. I would assume you can't turn up and not hear about it so i presume its not important to the story... merely that he's now free of the big black coat.
i guess but the whole being resurrected and being the lord of light's prophesised one thing will be central in how Snow is seen by the various leaders and factions in the north and could be his big overall leadership play if Sansa gets involved in that more and ultimately give him the edge as they will all get the fear and be in awe of him
Brienne said something about Jon "being alright but a bit broody, which is understandable" shows that they know, IMO.
Considering it was supposed to start with the Greyjoys siding with Jon against the Boltons due to Theon & Yara's hatred of Ramsey, it didn't start well did it?
absolutely not.... i mean ok carrying bran about gave him two purposes but when you boil it down thats what his entire GoT career does boil down to.
true. I wonder where a) yara got all the guys to go with her b) where they will actually go and do.. it was a new add but i don't think we will see the iron islands much now this year.. like oh all our ships sailed off (you ****ing numpty why didn't you guard them) so you want 1000 ships built and might not be seen til season 7. c. so will theon turn up someplace with the iron islands rejects?
I was like that with the characters in season one. I was hoping season two would be better (not started watching it yet)
Well I guess people at the Wall have told her, doesn't need a scene of Jon sitting down with her and talking about it. As for everyone not talking about it, Fear, awe and respect probably holding people back, along with most not being believers in the Lord of Light. People of Westeros are followers of the Old Gods or the Many Gods, so the Red Witch is seen as just that, a Witch so the resurrection is Magic rather than any major Religious thing. Also Azor Ahai (and all the other names) is a mythical legend, its likely most don't believe the legend will come true. Not to mention others have been declare the Prince that was Promised before, its a messiah problem
Really stupid though they are going to build a 1000 ships, do people really think they have enough wood and people to build and sail a 1000 ships on the small amount of lands they've got?? Just sounds like rubbish IMO. The easy storyline to imagine is Theon and Yara help the Starks regain Winterfell but I think thats unlikely, problem for the Greyjoys is that I'm not sure they have any allies. They'll probably go sailing for 10 seasons like Gendry and never be heard of again.
Simple answer, Euron is MAD. Seriously he is batshit crazy. I agree manning the ships is ridiculous, build perhaps not, they can just raid the mainland for wood. However it is semi-canon that Greyjoy's can raise about 20,000 men and One hundred ships already (five hundred at a push). The Iron Islands are bigger than the TV show has shown. Its just that they are impossible to farm.
it is ridiculous... 1000 ships in a medieval period ... henry the 7th started building and died with 5 ships... henry the 8th had FORTY by the time he was done... 40... the ship they stoke were like galleons rather than rowed galleys so that put them squarely in the tudor period. the spanish armada had 140 ships the battle of Trafalgar.. 31 biritsh ships v 40 french. 1000 ships? it was a grandiose number for the american audience... american think they'd have 100 carriers. they actually have 10. theres lots in scrap yes but 1000 new ships? they'd probably have to fell the whole of the north for the trees for that... and masts alone for 1000 ships... say 3 big masts - 3000 big trees = thats quite a forest right there before they every cut a rib or a plank or whatever
manning is a good point. they'd need 200,000 peopel to man english galleons. so yeah you are right. It might be 1000k small boats but not big ships. 100 ships and 20k men but they just sotle the best ships so they have had to have 3/4k men taken with them.
