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Things We Think We Think #229

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  1. originallambrettaman

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    1. After putting in arguably the best performance of the season in Derby on Saturday, the exact same eleven put in a wretched, stomach ulcer-inspiring display just three days later. Indeed Tuesday night ranks among the worst of the campaign, yet at the end we were compelled to celebrate the prospect of yet another trip to Wembley. It took us 104 years to qualify for a game at the national stadium, yet on Saturday we’ll journey there for the fourth time in nine seasons.

    2. The 2-0 loss to Derby serves as a timely reminder that play-off finals are usually endured, rather than enjoyed, at least until the final whistle. Remember the injury to Bradley Orr that held up the game soon after Dean Windass’ spectacular strike? That just allowed nerves to seep in and mash with our heads, as we contemplated having something tangible to lose. We’re excited about the game with Sheffield Wednesday now, but when that whistle blows to signal kick off beneath the giant arch of Wembley, that’s when 90 minutes and maybe more of harrow begin.

    3. How on earth did City come so close to a disastrous reverse with no precedent in play-off history? Firstly, Derby were excellent. They had nothing to lose and everything to gain after being so comprehensively outplayed in the first leg, and played as such. However, it cannot have been beyond the collective wit of Steve Bruce and his players to realise that their visitors would pour forward from the start and that taking the sting out of the evening with some possession, territory and a bit of calmness would quickly see them subside. We could scarcely have got it more wrong.

    4. It wasn’t until the introduction of David Meyler shortly after half-time that City establishing anything approaching a foothold in the game. Prior to that the side was an inch away from outright panic, and had Derby levelled the tie there’s little doubt they’d be going to Wembley this week. As it was, if City deserve meagre credit for anything, it’s that they did at least tough out the final half-hour, belatedly getting themselves organised and ultimately denying Derby any real chances. When Tom Ince, gratifyingly hopeless in both games, spannered over a shot from very long range with time running away from Derby, it finally began to feel like our night.

    5. We cannot agree with the Derby manager’s assessment that his side merited a final place more than City. When the tie was 0-0 only one team turned up; Derby didn’t play until it was virtually lost. We understand his disappointment, because coming so close to making history will spend all summer hurting. But as good as Derby were at City, City were better at Derby.

    6. The club’s decision to ban that cretin who needlessly squared up to Richard Keogh was pleasingly swift and correct. It’s frustrating that pitch invasions, largely spontaneous expressions of joy, are increasingly being treated as criminal offences (after all one of the most famous sporting events in English history has a well intentioned pitch incursion at its heart, “some people are on the pitch, they think it’s all over…”), but some of that is down to bell-ends such as the one who decided screaming at Derby’s captain was preferable to celebrating City’s achievement.

    7. So, to the final. On paper, City are comfortably a stronger XI than Sheffield Wednesday. It is, as most games have been this season, essentially down to what Steve Bruce’s charges do. And the play-offs have reminded us that forecasting City’s mentality is impossible – we can be as brilliant as we can be terrible, often with little inbetween, within a short period of time, and in games criticial and routine. It’s infuriating.

    8. Therein lies both a strength and weakness: if City really turn up in the final, we’ll be promoted. But there’s a significant chance that they won’t, and if that happens then Sheffield Wednesday are definitely good enough to beat us. It’s a worry that they’re going to want it so much. Seeing South Yorkshire types on social media declare themselves moral victors in advance because they’ll probably sell more tickets is growing tiresome, but it does demonstrate how enormously important this is for them. With their lengthy top-flight exile and a first Wembley appearance in a generation, how could it not be? We’ve been in the Premier League twice and graced the Wembley turf three times since. Be in doubt: we’ll be up against dangerous, determined opposition.

    9. Was it really necessary to charge £98 for some tickets for the play-off final? £64 for a behind the goal view?

    10. So, we’ll see you at Wembley. It’s almost tempting to be a little blasé about it, though a quick recap of our fascinating, storied but broadly glory-free history should remedy that. But for one day only, let’s forget all of the crap that surrounds the club at the moment, and relish visiting one of world football’s greatest arenas to watch our beloved Hull City AFC. It could just be glorious. Again.

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  2. Charon

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    its wrong to say which team turns up - its all about which Steve Bruce turns up - the one who tells the players to attack, don't hold back, chase players down and move the ball around quickly or the **** who shuts up shop from the start or shuts up shop when we go into the lead
     
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  3. SydneyTiger14

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    I would think the players will ignore him and play the way they want to play, and we'll see where that gets us.
     
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  4. Amin Arrears

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    You would think if they were going to mutiny they'd hve done it long ago.
     
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    Who's to say they haven't? My point is that the players are of a high enough calibre that they should win this game, with or without Bruce.
     
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  6. Amin Arrears

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    If fancy them more without the Brucey handicap.
     
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  7. Charon

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    they do mutiny - Ben Arfa and Faye dumped - Macca and Curtis on naughty step - Chuba throwing his gloves off, arf
     
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    Really? Are you sure?
     
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  9. originallambrettaman

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    They're not my words, obviously, but I would agree that the semi-final game at Derby was arguably our best performance of the season.
     
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  10. Amin Arrears

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    We didn't compregensively outplay them and it was far from the best performance.

    It was a professional job, smash and grab, we hit them three times, one of them really rather fortunate.

    Derby were far better in the 2nd leg than we were in the first, they just couldn't get the all important third, as our defence actually came out in the second half.
     
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    I missed this revelation. What - all 4 of them? Are any of them seeing each other?
     
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    Aye, I worded it a tad too quickly! If the game at Derby was our best then god help us.
     
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  13. Chilton's Hundreds

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    Remember the injury to Bradley Orr that held up the game soon after Dean Windass’ spectacular strike?

    Thought this was BEFORE we scored ?
     
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    In the first leg Derby started ok, but the goal completely knocked the stuffing out of them, an inverse mirror of what happened in the league game there when we crumbled after the first goal. The second leg was Bruce as usual worrying about Derby, it happened in the league as well. I don't think he has the same fear of Sheffield Wednesday, and Wednesday were particularly defensive against us in the second game this season.

    So if the tactics are positive enough, the team are energetic and pass it quickly...the only remaining thing is sticking the ball in the net. Hernandez is a better bet than Akpom. Snodgrass is a possibility. And from midfield Livermore is more likely than Huddlestone, he's shown a slight improvement in shooting. Clucas is probably out of the reckoning to start now, but can be a threat. Elmo is sometimes active, when he's bothered. Diame should be a threat but he's been the disappointment of the season, so more an outside bet.
     
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    As I recall - he clashed with Barmby before we scored. But it seemed to be a delayed reaction and he went down in a heap shortly after Deano's goal.
     
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    That might explain it. I always thought Orr being injured had a bearing on the goal.
     
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    There might be something to this, if they know or think he is going they might take matters into their own hands a bit more instead of trying to stick to tactics that are patently cack like Tuesday when we got away with it. The worse thing about Tuesday is I'm sure Bruce said after the away match that they would be trying to play football and win the game, instead we played in a holding pattern like nervous wrecks, god knows what he said to Dawson who looked like he was ****ting his pants all match. I honestly thought on Tuesday that they would try and get a goal first half to kill the match
     
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    Didn't Bryce come out and say they were hoping to get to half time 0-0? What a pathetic attitude.
     
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    All I can say is my beard seems to have gone a bit greyer since last Tuesday and for that I blame Bruce. Thank god Phelan emerged second half in the technical area and Meyler came on with a bit of attitude otherwise I reckon they might have racked up 4 or 5
     
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  20. Chilton's Hundreds

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    We need energy and lots of it in midfield and lots of it on Saturday.

    Look, I even said 'lots of it' twice to make my point. Now that's three times.

    Meyler/Livermore CM for me.
     
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