Off Topic European Debate Thread

I accidentally mistook rod for redprint, didn't make the link to RedorDead

I was also referring to the objection from people on building stuff and the complaining that we needed more infrastructure

 

Being in the Eu expands our freedom across the world. The whole out campaign uses scapegoating and general **** flinging to convince people the delusion that we'll have freedom outside of the EU

 

I may regret asking, but how does being a member of the EU expand our freedoms across the world?

 

I've corrected that for you.!!

Its like you playing the racist card etc.. you've done more damage to the in campaign on your own than Corbyn has by just breathing..

Anyhow.. How would you know? You're no old enough to know what it was like outside the EU!!

 

Ha. I think he must have meant restrict not expand..

 

Nailed it mate.. but you'll be called a racist!

 

That's bollocks and you know it is, you've called me a racist and now saying I blame immigration. Either you stand by your accusations or stop speaking bollocks. It's your choice, but seeing as I've been in the heavy construction business all my working life so I think I've got a bit of knowledge on the subject regarding infrastructure and if we are in a position to build.
You say you want to have all this backing and security of the EU then the next bit you're saying **** you villagers we're bulldozing your land to fit in another city.
You've been arguing now for days with I believe everyone on this subject and that should tell you something regarding the subject. Youve even starting to labelling people, and I'm really interested to know where you got this assumption that Redprint is a racist. As I pointed out to you and I notice you didn't bother commenting on that one, you said something regarding the Welsh who are a race and speaking against them makes you a what?

 

Probably as Mtg will be aware that travelling in areas of Africa and some Arab states possessing a passport from the European Union can be problematic. These problems (generally) do not exist for people with a passport outside of the EU.

 

Freedom = the ability to make our own choices which we can't do in the EU but we can outside it

 

MTG - personal message to you mate - I respect your intentions they are absolutely sound.
Keep posting your opinions- they are yours and personal to you.
I am still tending towards 'out' and stand by my arguments, but don't want this decending into a slagging match.

Just for the record though, the 'Out' camp have 55% so far and the combined 'In' and the undecided only make 45%.

 

This seems to be a theme for 'in' campaigners! Can't bring you a decent argument so they chuck the racist card in...

http://news.sky.com/story/1698925/shadow-minister-calls-voter-horrible-racist

 

There is varying amounts of racial motivation for the out vote. Not saying that every out voter has racial motivations behind it but there is no denying that there is a large amount of out voters who are heavily influenced by racism and islamophobia

 

Anyone who saw Jeremy Paxman's programme re: the EU last night would find
it hard to defend the wastage, excesses, lack of accountability and multiple levels
of bureaucracy of the EU.

 

All of which can be worked on and improved. We are in a better position by working with Brussels rather than being an outcast on the outside of it

 

You keep repeating yourself, So I will keep asking you..

We haven't managed to do that in 40 years so Why do you think we will be able to do that in future years??

Please answer this question and not make up another one!

 

That's a disgrace saying that, you don't know what peoples motivations are and you certainly don't know if there is a "large amount" at all..

That minister was forced to apologise for something far less than what ROD or redprintt said... I think you should apologise too!

 

That would be 'Turkeys and Christmas' syndrome. The systems are so established and embedded, and
the UK's level of influence so much less than we like to think it is that little will change.

 

I am not apologising for stating the truth.

There are people who are voting out largely due to racism.

Not all, not a majority, but some people are.