It wasn't the Sheffield Wednesday fans fault so why blame them at all? The club yes, not the fans. As for their fans defending their club when it comes to 1989, ****'em. They're obviously ****s anyway.
who is blaming them? just the bullshit that we have had to endure for so long from a lot of them, that to this day still refuse to accept the facts,like i have said probably more to do with defending the honor of their club more than anything(safety certificate?), but even that is not an excuse, this is a victory for all concerned to do with football, and has been said by previous fans that was there spurs fans etc in 81 they could see this happening. it is the establishment that is in the wrong for so long, but why have the whole football community not accepted this? dirty mancs included!!!
I didn't say anyone was blaming them but some comments on here seemed to be going in that direction. Anyone still blaming Liverpool fans for Hillsborough are ****s. And that includes Forest fans who I know plenty of with me being from Notts.
yeah its a sorry situation gerrez that's for sure, what pisses me off more is the FA more than SW football club who have tried to deflect blame from them giving it to wednesday(who as a club will obviously be chuffed hosting a semi final even though they didnt have a valid safety certificate) but that is something the FA WOULD have know about!!! ****s just like refs, ****ing blameless for all the mistakes they make
Yep. Not having a safety certificate or indeed adequate safety measures in place is one thing but for the FA to then choose that venue despite those issues whilst ignoring the problems from the previous two yeas of semi finals there? The FA (of the time) need hanging too!
I have literally just this minute finished watching the Hillsborough BBC documentary. I started watching it a few days ago but had to switch it off after 40 minutes as I was struggling to watch it. There are so many things running through my head after seeing it, but one point in particular struck me after watching the rest of the documentary today. Forgive me if I don't word this very well. I'm not the best at expressing emotions in words. I wasn't at Hillsborough. I don't know anybody who was there. Even those of you from this forum who may have been there or known people who were there are really nothing more than usernames to me. Other than being a football fan, I couldn't be any more detached from what happened. In some ways - and I hope you understand what I mean by this - watching that documentary should be no more difficult for me to do than watching a sad film or documentary related to any tragic event. The thing that struck me today was that when I found it difficult to watch I was able to hit pause and come back to it a few days later. Listening to the accounts of what the relatives, friends and survivors went through I realised just how impossible it is to even try and imagine what they went through. There is no pause button for real life. I thought I had an idea how difficult it must have been. I didn't. I can't. To go through what they have gone through for 27 years, knowing that justice had not been done, knowing that the full weight of the establishment was against them, and knowing that the lies were still being repeated over and over, is beyond comprehension. The relentlessness of it all, with no possibility of hitting a pause button or walking away from it, cannot be understood from the outside. It might seem obvious to all of you, but I had never grasped (or realised that I never could grasp) the relentless nature of fighting for justice. We all experience bereavements throughout our lives, each one of them tragic in their own way, but most of us are lucky enough for bereavement to be final. I was struck by the fact that although bereavement is final, injustice doesn't have an ending. The only ending to injustice is justice. I already had respect for the families and their fight for justice, but that respect has grown even deeper now. Like I said, a lot of this is probably already blindingly obvious to many of you, but I think the outside world still has so much to learn - even those of us who thought we already understood the need for justice.
shows the power of the media sadly, they have done it for decades in brain washing us that the torries are ok or whatever political party they want in power (i shouldn't laugh in this thread of all, but its true) for whatever reason people believe what the police say or what they read in the media, its only lately that its is being challenged, and everyone realize its a joke. the FA are just as much of a joke, same as eufa and fifa. corrupt assholes
You only have to log on to comments section of the DM, Mirror or suchlike to see that the trolls are still there in huge numbers (or, indeed, just go to General Chat on here). Comes a time though that you have to recognise that the campaign by the families was a legal quest, primarily, and that it's impossible to get into minds that actually enjoy to hate. Just pity them.
i don't think you need to worry about about not wording your post well as imo that was perfectly worded . on a subject as emotive as this it is always difficult to phrase posts correctly and i hope we all take that into account when posters mean well
Very well worded that mate PS...although a Liverpool fan, I'm exactly the same in being detached from it. I was only eight at the time too. I've read hundred if not thousands of pages over the last decade or two though. Don't know if I'd have still done that had I not been a Liverpool fan. I've not read a lot about other disasters.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...ty-Liverpool-tribute-Hillsborough-victims.htm Do not know what to think of this. I suppose if the families have no objection it would be a fitting memorial, provided it was on display for all to see and not stuck in a cupboard at the town hall
isnt their some path at the ground that is supposed to be some sort of memorial, 96 trees (think thats correct) what about having the cup on a statue in the middle somewhere, but it belongs to the city not the club! only issue sadly!!!!! would be some sad ****er will always want to try and steal it so how would it be on display and secure. cameras on it would not solve the issue.
There are several FA Cups. The oldest, third version, was valued at £1m on Antiques Roadshow. If the City do accept one it will have to be displayed somewhere like the foyer of the Town Hall so it is safe from vandal/ thieves but is still visible to anyone who wants to see it.
is it being offered to the city or the families, as wouldn't it be their decision what to do with the cup? ie they could donate it to the club?
I think it is being offered to the City, but only if the families agree. I think the idea it is a gesture to the City of Liverpool so putting it on display at the club would probably not happen.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-36360111 Should have said he was drunk, broke down the doors to rob it from the counter, then told the Sun that his friends forced him to eat it and pissed on paramedics who tried to help him. Oh, and join the Masons and get the initial inquest fixed. Worked for some.
I do not ****ing believe this, talk about trivializing the matter or what http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...RIP-96-knickers-novelty-mugs-sale-Amazon.html
Saw this on the Echo website this morning, after pressure from the families and the echo Amazon has banned the sale of such crap and has promised to ban those that still sell the tacky items via the backdoor.
