Off Topic European Debate Thread

[Cliftonville]

I'm suggesting that austerity doesn't work. If we borrowed and grew our economy then we would get more income from people earning more and thus paying more tax.

In order to grow the economy we need to be in the Eu.

How about borrowing money to renationalise utilities? Little things like electricity, gas and water. Can't due to EU directives ...

 

[Mind the gap!]

They are Rob, massively.. Its one of the things about the EU I hate, its all swept under the carpet, us minions are not intelligent enough to understand it so its best not to tell us! (Except MTG of course he's academic!)

My sister in law lives in Paris. They are giddy with it. (she works in passport and UK visa control in Paris and you wouldn't believe the stories!)

I was making the point that we all have opinionated view on the matter and that really a neutral body of economists, politicians and civil servants are better to make an educated decision.

There is no doubt that the immigration issue causes a strong influence in the hearts of out voters.

A lot of people on the out campaign are lying behind this so that outside of the EU they can exploit people and get rid of protective laws from environment to employment rights.

 

[wizered]

No quite right, but the 'stay' brigade like to wheel it out to anybody who mentions it as a very good reason to leave the EU..

Its been used on here several times.

That report is shocking Wiz!

They will report it as a non event, it will get buried, they will falsify the truth but it demonstrates we are all being told lies, we need to act for our selves and get out, watch all of these people desert our country when they discover there is no wealth left, they'll desert like rats on a sinking ship, they have no loyalty to our country.

 

[RedorDead]

I'm suggesting that austerity doesn't work. If we borrowed and grew our economy then we would get more income from people earning more and thus paying more tax.

In order to grow the economy we need to be in the Eu.

What so you want to increase the national debt on a whim that it will work? Are you mad that's why a lot of other countries like Spain, Italy and Portugal are ****ed, Greece is enough which should sound warning bells.
FairPlay you talk some utter bollocks and to make things worse you been digging this hole now for weeks.

 

[Mind the gap!]

Its hard work debating with you.

Easy arguments are normally over quickly

 

[Cliftonville]

I was making the point that we all have opinionated view on the matter and that really a neutral body of economists, politicians and civil servants are better to make an educated decision.

There is no doubt that the immigration issue causes a strong influence in the hearts of out voters.

A lot of people on the out campaign are lying behind this so that outside of the EU they can exploit people and get rid of protective laws from environment to employment rights.

The UK has lost employment rights while being a EU member!!

You have mentioned the free market. Well that in the EU is a form of Europeanisation where the UK's assets/resources are open to exploitation from other member states and their multinational industries.

From outside the EU it is also possible to create laws that protect the UK and its economy.

 

[banksyisourhero]

Easy arguments are normally over quickly

You haven't said one thing with a basis of fact and when asked to explain you dodge the question and start on about something else.

People aren't as stupid as you may think MTG, Some of us have been around a while and heard it all before.

There is no doubt that the immigration issue causes a strong influence in the hearts of out voters

This is probably the only correct statement you have made in 9 pages.. well done.

And quite right too!

If the out vote wins it will be the fundamental reason why.. Who would not want to trade with the EU, we all do. but not at any cost and that cost in my opinion is too high.

Still you don't mind what cost others pay as long as you get your job in Europe eh.

 

[RedorDead]

I was making the point that we all have opinionated view on the matter and that really a neutral body of economists, politicians and civil servants are better to make an educated decision.

There is no doubt that the immigration issue causes a strong influence in the hearts of out voters.

A lot of people on the out campaign are lying behind this so that outside of the EU they can exploit people and get rid of protective laws from environment to employment rights.

Who do you think brought in employment rights? You've only got to go into a restaurant on holidays to see what rights other countries over ours is like. Just walk on a construction site over there and see workers not being protected in PPE etc and see what conditions some of them work in.
As to environmental issues, who are the ones pushing hardest for this? Who's got one of the tightest controls in place?

Tell me when you've reached Australia, you can't be that far away now with this hole.

 

[Mind the gap!]

Who do you think brought in employment rights? You've only got to go into a restaurant on holidays to see what rights other countries over ours is like. Just walk on a construction site over there and see workers not being protected in PPE etc and see what conditions some of them work in.
As to environmental issues, who are the ones pushing hardest for this? Who's got one of the tightest controls in place?

Tell me when you've reached Australia, you can't be that far away now with this hole.

Cooperation is key to all these issues. Eu laws are just guaranteeing things in case the tories decide to get rid of it.

The tories only want to get rid of human rights so that they can exploit everyone to make themselves richer.

 

[RedorDead]

Cooperation is key to all these issues. Eu laws are just guaranteeing things in case the tories decide to get rid of it.

The tories only want to get rid of human rights so that they can exploit everyone to make themselves richer.

Now you're just clutching at straws, for one Cameron is the conservative leader, who wants to stay in the EU.
And two it's got **** all to do with cooperation when this country are setting the example of employment rights when the others are not.
I'm afraid you're just coming across as arguing for the sake of it now. If you want to stay in, then vote in, it's simple. When this thread was deleloped it wasn't to persuade anyone.
But it's nice to see you'

 

[bcfcredandwhite]

MTG - as I stated earlier, this debate doesn't follow party lines.
Cameron and many of his senior colleagues are with the 'in' crowd - same as Corbyn.
It's not a 'Tories want out, Labour want in' situation.

 

[banksyisourhero]

He's shown his true colours..

 

[Redprintt]

'this debate doesn't follow party lines'

Bloody right, if as expected by the bookies that we remain, I'll never vote again.
For anyone, unless maybe Corbyn and hope he wins just to show MTG the error of his ways.
Don't worry MTG, I'm fiscally sorted but Corbyn and the EU will f*ck you.

 

[Red Robin]

I'm a tory voter and have done since the age of 18 but i do not agree with them on many things,but the bigger picture they do a far better job than Labour.
I remember all the bad things whilst Labour were in control.
However the reason for the above is to say DC is completly wrong regards staying in.
There are many Tories,and Labour,and big big business that want out.
Everyone of my staff is voting out so 10 out of 10, put that across the country i will be very happy indeed.

 

[Mind the gap!]

Now you're just clutching at straws, for one Cameron is the conservative leader, who wants to stay in the EU.
And two it's got **** all to do with cooperation when this country are setting the example of employment rights when the others are not.
I'm afraid you're just coming across as arguing for the sake of it now. If you want to stay in, then vote in, it's simple. When this thread was deleloped it wasn't to persuade anyone.
But it's nice to see you'

Sorry for voicing my opinion, it's not like this is the most important vote in a generation or anything.

I was just saying that if you look at who supports the in campaign and who supports the out campaign then you will notice that most world leaders and big businesses support the in campaign. Meanwhile on the out campaign you have a bunch of ****ers including Boris Johnson, Michael Gove, Ian Duncan Smith, Jack Lopresti, Farage, Trump, Murdoch and Katie Hopkins

 

[wizered]

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How about these for a bunch of ****ers, apart from Hilary Benn..

 

[Red Robin]

Sorry for voicing my opinion, it's not like this is the most important vote in a generation or anything.

I was just saying that if you look at who supports the in campaign and who supports the out campaign then you will notice that most world leaders and big businesses support the in campaign. Meanwhile on the out campaign you have a bunch of ****ers including Boris Johnson, Michael Gove, Ian Duncan Smith, Jack Lopresti, Farage, Trump, Murdoch and Katie Hopkins

The big question here is i will scratch your back if you scatch mine.
Wink wink.
Corrupt and looking after themselves comes to mind.

 

[Mind the gap!]

The big question here is i will scratch your back if you scatch mine.
Wink wink.
Corrupt and looking after themselves comes to mind.

Exactly what I was thinking with the out voters

 

[banksyisourhero]

Exactly what I was thinking with the out voters

Whats in it for them then? According to you the worlds going to fall apart if we vote out, so whats the gain for them??

 

[BCFCRob]

We are a island with limited space and resources,we cannot sustain large amounts of europeans and the like coming here and using,milking our country.

Do you think the usa would be dictated to, with regards to who, or where they conduct their business of course not.
let's see what would happen if we said to the USA you take all these immigrants let's see their reaction.

Not true. We have an absolute ****load of space. Less than 1% of the entire country is built on.

Community space and resources of course is a different matter.