Off Topic European Debate Thread

To give you some idea, the new motorway relief on M4 around Newport will cost about 3 billion and rising. That is just a 15 mile diversion. So to rebuild the infrastructure needed to include the following;
Housing
Hospitals
Schooling
Roads
Drainage - which is a big issue at the moment, build on land and remove the tree that sucks up the water to stop the next flooded town. We are rapidly building without thinking and flooding the next town or the next weak spot on the rivers tide.


The amount that it would take to just bring the country back on even keel, would be mind blowing. (You do also realise that the profession you are choosing to go in contributes to a fair bit of that cost)
It's all fair, saying build it but you need the capital to be able to do that. You are correct in doing it will lead to increasing jobs, however you still need a start and that's what cost the most.
If it continues and it will with Turkey moving continents to Europe, instead of marrying old holidaying grannies the Turks can just move here. Creating even more push back on the infrastructure of the country.
To put things into easier terms for you. You've just signed up for a UNI place, where you had choice of where to go. If we keep taking more people into this country, then future generations won't have that choice. Universities are 90% inside city centre borders, where there is no room to move or expand apart from up, which is basically all London can do at the moment.
You also mentioned previously take away right to lease purchasers, without them then students would not have properties to rent, as most of these buildings were previously city centre homes that have been converted into bedsits and flats etc.

Like your spirit though

 

Sometimes you need money to make money, I believe it is better to invest and build rather than do nothing and complain about overcrowding.

As for uni places it is now getting ridiculous. We have a society that has become too degree orientated. There are people who aren't academic doing degrees that are stretched out as much as possible to try and cover three years and bring in £27000 for the uni. After this most will end up in jobs that in the past they could have walked into at 16 or 18 and learnt on the job. Of course by doing the degrees they widen their options but they shouldn't have to get a degree to do this.

With buy to let, of course some rented accomodation is needed but too much saturates the buying demand and drives up property prices to stupid unaffordable levels.

And with uni rent prices, the extortianate cost of renting put me off applying to any London Uni. A mate at school will have to pay £200 a week for their accomodation!!

 

The housing shortage drives up property prices. Buy to let and the high cost of rents are both symptoms of the same shortage. Immigration fuels the shortage further,

 

Buy to let and the lack of building are the main reasons as both can be controlled but aren't

 

The Tories have sold almost everything we have had off, from energy and utilities, to trains and mail.

Should be laws stopping the selling off of public assets

 

No its a whole list of variables.

Successive governments cannot (they do not get close) meet the demand for housing.

High demand = High house prices and rent. Increase populace = Ever higher demand = Higher house prices and sky high rents. A circle which will not change by increasing the UK's population significantly each year.

The Country is not Canada. Its already densely populated.

 

WE RE QUICKLY COMING TO A POINT WHERE
the population will exceed jobs that £ feed the economy ..more jobs being created to man
the services needed for an expanding population like sewerage and water and road infrastructure etc

L E A V E

 

I'm still not convinced by either argument to be honest - much as I am VERY tempted by the thought of not answering politically to Brussels.

We don't know how the rest of the EU will respond to a Brexit - we can only guess - and they will be extremely eager to punish us for withdrawing our contributions from their pot. Maybe they will impose trade barriers - I am sure that they will consider it very seriously, but they will also be mindful of how much we buy from them, so they will need to take a hit themselves in order to 'punish' us.
Then, they could use their collective muscle to force us out of the larger deals - like the big airlines did to Freddie Laker (for those of you who remember him) - basically, they may possibly be prepared to subsidise their own industries and operate at a loss, in order to squeeze UK businesses until they ultimately fail and drop out of the market due to being unable to compete - then the EU would scrap its subsidies once again as the job would be done and they wouldn't be needed any more. Don't think for ONE MINUTE that the Europeans wouldn't do this - especially the French. They could offer massive incentives for the Chinese and Indians to invest with them and we just simply wouldn't be of interest.

On the other hand the thought of unrestricted travel for Turks, Rumanians etc frightens me to bits - and the chaos that is already spreading on the continent can only get worse until the Middle East and Syria is sorted - which won't be soon.

One thing I AM convinced of though - whichever we vote for, either in OR out, things will get a LOT worse before they get any better.

Prepare yourselves for a rough ride folks - there is a storm coming............

 

Best option is to stay and agree with Brussels a deal so that new countries joining the Eu can't automatically live here.

In no doubt that Eu will be holding all the cards if we leave

 

We need to get training people on skills and trades and this should be a priority

 

What do you do when a storm is coming.. batten down the hatches!


"Best option is to stay and agree with Brussels a deal so that new countries joining the Eu can't automatically live here"

You keep saying this MTG.. We haven't been able to do this in 40 years of membership so please explain how we will do it after we have agreed to stay.. (and I Have asked you several times now!)

 

Tried that when the new lot joined didn't listen so won't change now as they look out for themselves as we must do now.

 

True so that tells you something about them all, but utilities and stuff you mention ain't a scratch on gold reserves.

 

However the affect on everyday life from these private monopolies is far greater.

Agreed on Gold reserves shouldn't have been sold though

 

And I am going to ask the out voters on how we will achieve a free trade deal with the Eu without having to abide by all their laws INCLUDING open door immigration

 

Ok don't bother answering the question and make up stuff of your own instead then.. Why would we have a trade agreement that tied us back in to the reason we wanted to leave (if that is the outcome!) in the first place?

Thats not what will happen and constantly repeating it won't make it anymore likely.

 

Which does not occur as widely when its cheaper to use foreign cheap skills v investing in the populace of the UK.

Britain is a G7 member, one the richest Countries in the world, a hub of commerce ... Capital always finds a way to trade with capital. The French, the Arab nations, the Chinese will not cease trading with the UK.

America is not a member of the EU have. Look into TTIP. Its a free trade agreement between EU capital and capital of the US.

 

If there are enough jobs then people won't have to worry about being undercut

Of course trading won't cease overnight, however, it will cost more to trade.

And with TTIP, doesn't it suggest that if we are in the EU then we are in a better position for trading globally?

 

Not strictly true.
Your gold reserve dictates your wealth. The Bank of England can only print what it has in its reserve so sell that means no money.
Selling the utilities still provides the population with the utility but the profit goes else where. Plus it means that more companies selling the product gives customers the ability to shop around for better deals. A bit like what you want in staying in the EU
So no not the same at all.