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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

Poll closed Jun 24, 2016.
  1. Stay in

    56 vote(s)
    47.9%
  2. Get out

    61 vote(s)
    52.1%
  1. GoldhawkRoad

    GoldhawkRoad Well-Known Member

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    He could have threatened on a contingency basis - Hilary Clinton did.
     
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  2. GoldhawkRoad

    GoldhawkRoad Well-Known Member

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    Isn't this a rather rash prediction by the BBC, given that most of England did not vote in full, Labour's down by 23 seats as we speak and has been shunted into 3rd place in Scotland?
     
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  3. Sooperhoop

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    Better book it with Branson...<laugh>
     
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    They extrapolated taking into account the fact that English rural counties didn't vote. Make of that what you will, but with that percentage the Tories still had 50 more seats on less of the vote.
     
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  5. Star of David Bardsley

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    Who the **** is still voting Lib Dem?
     
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  6. sb_73

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    Big news, the new Warwickshire Police and Crime Commissioner is Philip Secombe (Con). Hooray, I'm sure he will do a sterling job.
     
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  7. kiwiqpr

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    ages from an election and already the tail is trying to wag the dog
    bring back fptp I say


    Has Winston Peters scuppered David Carter's chances of London High Commissioner post?

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    ROSS GIBLIN/Dominion Post
    NZ First leader Winston Peters says he will block any political appointments to diplomatic roles as an "undeserved golden handshake" – a not-so-veiled dig at Speaker David Carter being lined up for the High Commissioner's role in London.


    Behind-the-scenes jostling between National and NZ First may have dashed Speaker David Carter's chances of a plum diplomatic post to London.

    Carter has long been thought the frontrunner to replace current High Commissioner to Britain Sir Lockwood Smith when his term ends early next year.

    But it is understood NZ First is demanding that if in a position to get National across the line for a fourth term, then it would want Carter hauled back from the London posting should he have already gained it.

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    KEVIN STENT/FAIRFAX NZ
    Speaker David Carter is thought to be a frontrunner to be the next High Commissioner to London, but Winston Peters appears to be doing all he can to prevent it.


    That would make it difficult for the Government to award him the posting in the first place.


    In a speech to students at Victoria University, Peters announced the party would block any "unsuitable" political appointees and require them to return home if it held the balance of power in government.



    A "mainly white brorocracy" had led to "rundown politicians [being] given reward for in some cases the most dubious of services by sending them offshore – beneficiaries of some undeserved golden handshake".

    "Many have represented an insult to foreign affairs, leaving their posts with absolutely nothing to show, but deterioration in our international relationship with that country."

    STRAINED RELATIONSHIP

    While Peters did not name Carter, NZ First's battles with Parliament's Speaker have been well documented.

    In particular, a strained relationship between Peters and Carter can be traced back decades.

    Most notably, in 2006, then Foreign Affairs Minister Peters sought to bring a multimillion-dollar court case against Carter for alleged defamatory statements about him, when Carter was chairman of a parliamentary select committee inquiring into the scampi industry.

    On Tuesday, Carter booted Peters out of Parliament, on grounds of contempt after Peters suggested Carter was being unfair toward NZ First.

    It was becoming a trend; last month, Peters was told to leave twice in two days.

    Sources within the diplomatic community said NZ First had delivered the ultimatum, which could put the Government in a difficult position.

    Sources close to National had confirmed they had heard rumours of the bargaining, but asked last week, NZ First sources denied hearing of any such negotiations.

    'WE DON'T PERSONALISE THESE THINGS'

    After the speech, Peters denied his remarks should be seen as an attack on Carter.

    "Oh look ,we don't personalise these things, I'm just saying that we're not going to tolerate these sort of disgraceful appointments when they don't merit it."

    He was not opposed to all political appointments, saying former Labour prime minister Mike Moore's selection as United States ambassador was a "brilliant idea" but Wallace Rowling's appointment to the same position in 1985 – after the flare-up over NZ's nuclear weapons stance – was wrong.

    "Now there's two contrasting examples where people could be merited or the timing would merit things."

    CARTER 'NOT A CLAIRVOYANT'

    Peters said he did not want to comment on whether Carter was biased against NZ First, but was concerned about how he was dealing with the party during Question Time.

    "I'll let the public decide, but when you are challenged with logic and you can't deal with it, big problem when you're meant to be a referee.

    "I mean, the idea that you're going to use the power of your office to intimidate a member of Parliament with my experience has got to be a joke.

    "I'm not going to be told before I open my mouth what the point of order that he's ruling out is – unless you're clairvoyant, and he's not, how can he possibly rule me out before I've opened my mouth?"

    However, he said he was not "waging war" against the Speaker.

    "I'm just waging war in favour of balance and first-world parliamentary standards."

    'A LOAD OF NONSENSE'

    Carter declined to comment on the rumours about NZ First's opposition to his potential London move.

    However, Prime Minister John Key said Peters' claims about too many political appointments to diplomatic roles were "a load of nonsense".

    "I mean, of the 60-odd high commissions or embassies around the world, we have three or four that have been politically appointed in recent times."

    Key said the most recent political appointment, former trade minister Tim Groser, was chosen as United States ambassador because he was an "expert on trade".

    "Well we're going through TPP at the moment, the United States trade is the biggest deal, and it follows on from the WTO when we had Mike Moore."
     
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  8. sb_73

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    Two rather more recent (Dearlove has been out of the spying business for 12 years) former heads of M15 and M16 have said the opposite. I'm not sure who we are meant to trust as sources of authority on these things.

    http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/s...k?shareToken=2622b1b8df5339c5a5533882db85bc5d
     
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    Interesting observation by Jim Osterberg aka Iggy Pop on the appeal of Trump to white working class American men. He reckons they value sincerity, directness and not dressing things up to be polite, but the lowest common denominator is the 'boffo sincerity' demonstrated by Trump, who isn't sincere anyway. Iggy will not be voting for him, but given the chance I'd vote for Iggy.
     
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  10. sb_73

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    New Zealand doesn't have a professional diplomatic service?
     
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    too many might, may or coulds on either side, it's going to depend who gets the undecided voter. Those passionately IN/OUT won't be changing their vote
     
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  13. sb_73

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    I don't think there are many passionate IN voters, it's one of their campaign's weak spots. Then again, all the passion in the Scottish referendum was on the independence side, and they still lost.

    Gove today seemed to be saying that we don't need any trade agreements with the EU post Brexit, just keep no tariffs while we opt out of free movement of people and regulations. All because of the German car industry, apparently. In which case presumably the Norwegians and the Swiss, and a few existing members, may say...'hold on....' Not going to happen, it's not only what the Germans want that determines EU policy, and plenty of countries want free movement of people as a key part of free trade.
     
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  14. kiwiqpr

    kiwiqpr Barnsie Mod

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    We do
    But ex politicians usually get the plum postings like London and washington
     
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  15. Stroller

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    I hope all those on here that consider the BBC to have a pro-Labour bias followed the local elections coverage closely.
     
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  16. sb_73

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    Very American. As far as I know all UK diplomats are career civil servants. Which is probably preferable, just, to political placemen. Worst of those was Joseph Kennedy, JFKs dad and by all accounts a crook, who was US ambassador to the UK when the war broke out. He ran home straight away, I think before a bomb was dropped.
     
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  17. GoldhawkRoad

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    The BBC does have a pro-Labour bias. That's why they are manifestly so against Corbyn.
     
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  18. Stroller

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    Very good Goldie.

    Seriously, the anti-Corbyn thing has been so striking. Laura Kuenssberg is plain embarassing, and even broadcasters I had previously respected such as John Pienaar have gone way over the top.
     
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  19. GoldhawkRoad

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    I've noticed it too. In the newspapers today, Labour is described as two parties in denial. Seemingly, the BBC only supports one of them
     
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  20. Stroller

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    The Blairites are Tories - that's who the BBC supports.

    Seemingly.
     
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