Off Topic Political Debate

I think it was a mixed night for Labour......certainly not bad enough to fuel the anti Corbyn brigade. Is it 'Nazi' for a country to want to be able to shape its own destiny without foreign interference ? I do not see how you can condemn the SNP in this fashion without doing the same with Ukip - what about the hate Europe hate Brussels rhetoric ? There are more of Scotland's laws made in Westminster than there are UK. laws made in Brussels.

 

It was a fantastic night for the Conservatives, they became the main opposition party in Scotland but voting not bad enough for Labour in England for Corbyn and his comrades to be ousted. It is vital that Labour's internal strife continues longterm.

 

That is why I supported Scottish independence, although I dislike the SNP intensely - how they can spout their racist anti-English rhetoric without a word being said, just shows the utter hypocrisy of the political classes.
I see you have also nicely swerved the other obvious conclusion of your argument in that why does the SNP support staying in the EU yet wants independence from Britain? Utter hypocrisy.

 

I have heard rhetoric from the SNP which is against Westminster and the political set up of the UK. but not 'anti English' rhetoric - maybe you can supply some quotes on this ? The reason for them being pro EU. may have to do with the fact that they tend to feel more 'European' than the English do, also that they do not have the same hysteria over immigration which the English have - fortunately they have avoided the right wing reactionary shift in opinions which is all too prevalent in England. My point was that it is inconsistent for people to want to leave the EU. to gain 'supposedly' more sovereignty - yet be against the SNP. for doing exactly the same thing with regard to Britain. I actually believe in a future Europe made up of regions rather than nations - because I believe them to be better able to work together, so I support Catalan, Basque or Breton separatism for the same reasons.

 

But my points were nothing to do with the Scots being less worried about immigration or feeling more European than the English do - it is the hypocrisy of the SNP and supporters of Scottish Independence who argue that they want independence from Britain so they can far better manage their own affairs away from a parliament in the South that is dominated by the English, yet want to remain under the control of a parliament even further south that is dominated by the French and Germans. They have even less say in a EU parliament than they do in Westminster and with further EU enlargement, that becomes even smaller.
There was huge anti-English sentiment being spouted by the SNP and their supporters during the independence campaign - there were lots of links on here and on Social Media at the time. I support all forms of independence and moves away from the huge undemocratic structures being forged by the unelected political classes.

 

They want to be able to work with the EU. as a sovereign nation, like the Netherlands or anyone else - is that so strange ? Again, you have no quotes and I cannot be expected to search through all the available social media to look for them - you have accused the SNP. of being racist, and I would need evidence of this which I don't have.

 

I don't have time to go back through it all either - but I am sure if Aberdeen comes back on-line, he will have a few.

 

If Scotland becomes an independent nation will they allow votes in Orkneyjar og Hjaltlandseyjar (Orkney and Shetland) to return to the Nordic fold?

One thing as well. If Scotland becomes independent and stays in the ESB will they be a step for the economic migration to England

 

Should we put comrade Corbyn on an endangered species list?

 

Complete failure??

Perhaps the Scottish population prefer a government that protects their Health Service, invests in its greatest resource - its people - by providing students with a free-of-tuition-charge University education meaning a working life for them that starts relatively debt-free as opposed to having a crippling debt, and an economy that does actually grow, however slowly, to the benefit of all citizens & not merely the few. Add to that the measures they have put in place to combat the effects of Austerity on the most vulnerable, to protect the very homes, lands and livelihoods of people from the greedy, ubiquitous fracking companies and you should get a sense that people here believe that a government should serve the needs of all its citizens, not just the lucky few - something that quite clearly doesn't happen elsewhere in the UK. I think I'd be safe in arguing that the majority of people in any country will vote for what favours them as opposed to considering the 'bigger picture' that politicians favour - and that's exactly what happens here.

Perhaps you'd like to elaborate on the 'devolved power it has been given but fails to use for the benefit of Scotland'? From where I'm looking, that's simply not true.

I think you are over-egging the pudding regarding hatred of the English - what would be more precise is a dislike of Westminster politics and the treatment received by Scotland from there. I'm unashamedly an SNP member and I can assure you that no such thing exists within the party. The membership demographics show people from all walks of life & from a variety of countries - and English loom large in that. I've lived here for twelve years now, and in that time I've yet to encounter any such sentiment, in either personal or work life. There are 150 primary schools in the shire and I have worked, for varying periods of time, in over half of them - including two in your home town - yet have experienced nothing remotely like hatred of the English from children or parents.

"Spiteful divisive policy of chasing separatism". That, I'm afraid to say, beggars belief. Any government policy can be deemed divisive as there always those for and those against. Spiteful? The only spite on public show has been from the massed blue ranks in Westminster in their dealings with Scotland - it's there to see virtually every day on TV & social media. As for separatism - i guess that is simply down to personal viewpoint. Mine is that there's nothing wrong at all with a country wanting to steer its own ship, to set its own agenda and be responsible for its own success - or failure.

 

I've just seen the Queen leaving my children's ex school, Berkhamsted Collegiate. She remarked how pleased she was at the election results especially in Scotland where the SNP lost their majority and those nasty socialists were pushed down to third place. She requested that I kept BB informed of the good news.

 

Nationalism to me is abhorent! In Scotland it was a very bad night for labour, in Wales likewise. Scotland is part of a United Kingdom, a very sucessfull union. I condemn the SNP and I put UKIP in exactly the same bracket and condemn them too. Europe is an evolving superstate where German values predominate, I do not agree with ever closer political union in Europe, the degree of diverse governments already in place is sufficient. I think you're just being balshy here to be honest!!!

 

The SNP are exceptionally anti English, downright racist in fact, I suffer from their racism daily. Maybe its not evident in Germany but I guess you don't come across many SNATs daily there whereas I am daily exposed to dozens.

 

Protects its health service by cutting funding whereas in England funding is increased? Invests in its people by subsidising University fees (thanks I've personally gained over 100k from this but) at the expense of massive cuts in college places? Relatively debt free? My kids all have 5 figure overdrafts upon graduation. Economy that grows much slower than in England with much larger defeceit and no willingness to bring it into balance? SNP serve only themselves ask the poor folk in Govan. Devolved right to increase taxes is one easy example but the others include treatment of health and education both of which are falling in standard at a drastic rate. I'm unashamedly an SNP hater, I hate everything they stand for, was with Salmond a couple of days ago and it was all I could do to not be sick. They are simply power crazed incompetent nationalists seeing the world through a narrow minded window where as a point of principle everything South of Berwick is hated.

 

When were they at Berko? I'm asking as my Dad worked in the maintenance department there until his untimely death in September 2004.

 

I have never been balshy (I don't think, bolshy maybe). In what way do you consider devolution to be nationalistic ? The people of Scotland, Brittany, Corsica, Catalonia etc. etc. clearly want a higher level of control over their own destinies - this is a different thing to nationalism, which emphasizes that one's country is better than all others (this last being more of a phenomenon found in larger units such as Germany, England, France, Russia and particularly the USA.). I would also be interested to know what you understand as being 'German' values, or are you lumping them all into one pot ?

 

just one of many...

You describe very well the attitude of the Scottish Nationalists in their superiority complex. The clue is in the name of the party "Nationalist" believe they are better....In this instance my reference to German values is economics to the benefit of their admittedly hard working ethic over smaller weaker dare I say lazier nations and a divine right to control.I thought you were being slightly picky just because a right wing opinioned person was expressing and therefore as we all do going into anti mode....

 

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Racists anti English....

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Did they? Had 9 years to do it and still waiting!!! Liars...

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There are hundreds of examples of SNP lies and failures....