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Match Day Thread Tottenham Hotspur v Chelsea

Discussion in 'Tottenham Hotspur' started by PleaseNotPoll, Apr 29, 2016.

  1. Blue and White

    Blue and White Well-Known Member

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    I'll tell you where this is interesting as it was pointed out to me yesterday that Spurs are one of the ''unfair'' teams this season.
    Previously Tottenham have been one of the fairest and qualified for the EL through the fair play league. Where did it get us? We were finishing mid-table. You obviously need to be a lot tougher in the English league. I much prefer to be a contender for champions and give away a few fouls and even get a few yellow cards during the season than be a soft touch and finish outside the top four.
     
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  2. pompeymeowth

    pompeymeowth Prepare for trouble x
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    All right, take the 9 off from the other night (which isn't fair I know), that moves you down to 3rd behind Man Utd, (which does surprise me that they are 3rd, but hey the stats don't lie), you are still way ahead of the chasing pack.
     
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  3. humanbeingincroydon

    humanbeingincroydon Well-Known Member

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    Since the papers all want to talk about the prospect of Moose getting a ten-game ban, I have a simple question: how many games did this bloke miss?

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    NONE
     
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  4. The RDBD

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    The correlation is there.
    The spineless taunt aimed at our tippy-tappy neighbours shows up in that table.
     
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  5. The RDBD

    The RDBD Well-Known Member

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    Not way ahead on anything.
    Will the nearest adult please take the tray of sharp kitchen implements away from the toddler.
     
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  6. pompeymeowth

    pompeymeowth Prepare for trouble x
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    Absolutely spot on, I've just been looking at previous tables and Spurs have improved each year since 2012/13 when they came 2nd in the fair play table (I won't say who came 1st as I'll get banned by someone)
    So if you put the boot well and truly in you'll win it all next season.

    PS: I hope you win it next year, I really do mean that I'm not a wum, just a tad eccentric is all.
    I'll even put a Jacks on it and show you all the picture.
     
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  7. pompeymeowth

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    I'm running round with the bacon trimmer right now!
     
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  8. paultheplug

    paultheplug Well-Known Member

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    We have been penalised for more fouls than all the clubs except Crystal Palace. That does not mean we have committed more fouls. We seem to be targeted by refs. On Monday night for example many fouls by Chelsea went unpunished but all the fouls by us were punished and we were even punished for things which were not fouls. Isolated statistics mean nothing. Would be nice to see who were the most fouled team. Alli for example seems to have been fouled more times than he has committed fouls. In one case he was so badly fouled that a red card should have been issued but because we scored when the ref played advantage the player was not penalised at all.
     
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  9. Citizen Kane

    Citizen Kane Danny Rosebud

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    I agree with Blue & White here. Our new style under Poch naturally and unavoidably leads to more fouls. It's an inevitable by-product of playing a high octane pressing game where 2 or 3 players immediately close down and challenge an opposition player as soon as he has the ball. I've watched more Spurs this year than I have in a while and I can say hand on heart that the VAST majority of those fouls (notwithstanding Monday night <laugh>) haven't got much to them. They tend to be pretty innocuous actions like putting too much pressure on the player or leaning in too much in the challenge - classic symptoms of a pressing system. You very, very rarely see Spurs players playing dirty in a two-footed studs up sense of the term. Indeed, it is telling that just us and City have yet to have a player sent off all season...City because their players couldn't give a toss, and us because we genuinely aren't a dirty side.

    Monday night was unacceptable and completely uncalled for, but I do like the robustness that this new look Spurs have. For too long we were the damp flannels of the premier league. It is no secret that Ferguson's successful United sides more than left a boot in when they had to, same goes for Wenger's early incarnations of Arsenal (patently lacking now they are utterly spineless). To be successful, you absolutely need a tough edge to you.
     
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  10. PleaseNotPoll

    PleaseNotPoll Well-Known Member
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    A lot of fouls that are committed against us aren't punished because we try to play on.
    We've scored a number of goals in that fashion this season, with Kane's against Southampton probably being the most obvious example:


    Lamela's fouled twice, then Alli gets chopped down, then Kane's pulled back and still scores.
    Total number of fouls attributed to our opponent? None.
    Friend got everything right that time though, playing the advantage very well and going back to book Fonte for his poor foul on Alli.
    That doesn't happen anywhere near often enough, unfortunately.

    As people have pointed out, our style does result in quite a large number of fouls.
    The idea that we're committing more than most teams and more than most of our opponents is quite laughable, though.
    A number of sides have basically given up trying to play against us this season and just tried to waste time and haul down our players.
    Maybe we need to do a Chelsea and intimidate the officials after every incident?
    I'd actually hate to see that, but the current attitude would appear to encourage it.
     
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  11. The RDBD

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    Not as laughable though as mistaking a TABLE OF DATA as statistics.


    "Maybe we need to do a Chelsea and intimidate the officials after every incident?
    I'd actually hate to see that, but the current attitude would appear to encourage it."

    I would prefer the team captain to be the mouthpiece (another tenet in rugby) .
    And for yesterday, they (and only they) should approach the referee and
    asked him how a captain is supposed to exert control over his players when
    that level of fouling is going unpunished from minute 1.
     
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  12. Big Ern

    Big Ern Lord, Master, Guru & Emperor

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    statistic means 'the collection, analysis and interpretation of numerical data' which is exactly what that table of data is.
     
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  13. The RDBD

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    Nope. We consider that "source data" .
     
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  14. Big Ern

    Big Ern Lord, Master, Guru & Emperor

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    no, it's been collected, analysed and interpreted, and then put into an ascending 'fair-play' order, rather than in an alphabetical order or another 'random' order.
     
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  15. Wandering Yid

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    <laugh>

    I can press the sort key in Excel, does that make me a statistician? @The RDBD ?
     
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  16. The RDBD

    The RDBD Well-Known Member

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    Nope. That table can be ranked by 7 different separate "dimensions" (only 6 are provided by the author) .
    One data item is derived count data (from 2 other items) .
    Three others are basic count data.
    One is a definite measure (points) . Two others are unclear.
     
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  17. Inda

    Inda Well-Known Member

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    I know some of those words
     
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  18. The RDBD

    The RDBD Well-Known Member

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    Manually or via Excel, you won't even get 'affiliate statistician' status for doing that. :)
     
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  19. The RDBD

    The RDBD Well-Known Member

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    I bet you have some animated GIFs showing those words being used in a Spurs match. ;)
     
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  20. PleaseNotPoll

    PleaseNotPoll Well-Known Member
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    Both sides have been charged with failing to control their players, rather unsurprisingly.
    Dembele's also been charged with violent conduct which goes beyond the standard, so he'll get more matches.
    Costa's been charged with absolutely nothing, despite clearly committing at least three red card offences.

    The FA are a joke.
     
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