Off Topic MARTINEZ COUNTDOWN

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Chelsea with 5 is most astonishing in that list

 

It almost seems like Martinez is having similar issues with some ke players that Rodgers had with Gerrard for example at the end of his career with us.

He was picking the name and scared to drop/criticise the player for fear of dropping the local lad, or the key player in the team when he's not meeting the tactical standards he's setting. Doesn't seem like he's hard enough on them... too pally? Rodgers didn't have the bottle to drop Gerrard at the right times, or manage him properly in his final season with us.

Managers have different strengths and weaknesses, and it's clear for everyone to see that Martinez's weakness is being solid defensively. It was evident at Wigan and yes, they were a much weaker team with much lower budget and fighting relegation so you'd expect them to concede goals, but the style of play didn't help and year on year, Everton's defence has got worse and worse. Now, you could argue that he has got them playing better football and scoring more goals as a compromise though, but he doesn't seem to be able to find a happy medium that top quality coaches can do, and Rodgers had the exact same problem. If he was even 10% better at being able to set up a team to see out a win like Mourinho/Rafa/Simeone could thenwe'd have won the league 2 years ago. It's the same for Martinez.

With more experience he might learn that and then become a very good manager, but in the 3 years at Everton, it doesn't look like he's eve close to improving that part of the team.

 

Spot on mate

 

You can't lay the blame for 2 years of failure at the feet of the players.

Martinez is responsible for their output and he's failed to get them to deliver to an acceptable level for 2 seasons now, he therefore carries the can, as that's how it works.

It's obvious he's lost that dressing room, and once that happens a manager is finished.

 

He has no intention of changing his approach though mate, as he's pig headed in the belief in his 'philosophy'

He said only a couple of months back "clean sheets aren't important to me"

What kind of a manager comes out with something like that? You don't concede and you stand a great chance of winning a ****ing game, but that basic premise isn't part of his thinking - hence the outcome of this season and last.

 

actually barkely looks over weight to me.....

however everything said is right its all the managers job to deal with these things.

 

I agree, he's too heavy and looks like he's running in divers boots after an hour or so these days.

I still maintain that they're collectively not fit enough, hence the late goals conceded stats increasing so markedly over the course of his tenure.

 

thats also down to martinez IMO.

what's most disappoitning is no player like barry stood up and said ok he's not doing it so we have to ourselves.

Frnakly wigan only stayed up for 2 years cos players went direct and ignored him IMO. wigan tried his tappy tappy form august to feb then abandoned it and survived but the fa cup run finally did for them.

however that said.. they did hit league one next year.

 

Could go today......

 

That s what happens when you have a championship budget in the PL and then have to cut costs. Wigan as a club performed way above what they should have done for many years, backed by Whelans cash then after he withdrew his backing it was a matter of time.

 

Im surprised that they may not let him see the season out. But it could also be a signal that they have their man already?

 

Apparently the official board meeting is actually today - which will officially ratify the decision already taken by Moshiri.

Bill will no doubt support Martinez being at least shown the courtesy of remaining until the end of the season, but I think that's the wrong call personally, as tomorrow could be ugly. Let him go today and the place will be totally different. I don't see the point in leaving the bloke to take the wrath of Goodison when he's already a dead man walking.

I doubt they've sewn up a successor yet, but they've defo sounded out a number of potential candidates.

 

If anyone was in doubt just how awful we've become under Martinez, have a ganger at these stats;

Martínez
Gross spend of £100m since Everton manager. Net spend of £50m (Moyes had a net spend under £2m per year over the course of his time at EFC). Wages have risen from £63 million under Martinez to £77 million, but Martinez recently claimed “We gave young players big roles and have not invested money but managed assets”- the average age of the squad has actually risen under Martinez: from 25.5 in 2012 before his arrival, to 26.7 in 2013, 26.6 in 2014, and 26.8 in 2015. In truth, we haven’t had a year when we’ve had more minutes for younger players than the previous season since back in 2007.
Worst home campaign in our entire 138 year history. Even with two games left to potentially improve it! Taking previous campaigns at a return of 3 points per win, our previous worst ever home campaigns were in 1957/58 and 1888/89 when we won 24 points. It’s over 12 months since we won back to back home games, but IF we won our final two home games, we’d still fall short of 24 points. Oh, and it was only a 22 game season in 1888/89 when we got 24 points at home. 1957/58 was a 42 game season, in fairness.
We’ve allowed more shots on target against us than every side in the league except for Newcastle, Villa and Sunderland. There’s every chance Newcastle and Sunderland will be playing Championship football with Villa next August.
No side have conceded more in the last 15 minutes of games (15).
No side wins less aerial balls per game than us (12.6). We concede 0.41 headed goals per game (14 total): more than anyone else in the league. Next closest is Villa (0.31 per game, 11 total- having played a game more than us).
We’re the only side in the league not to score from a free kick crossed in.
On course for back to back bottom half finishes for the first time since the 2000/01 and 2001/02 seasons under Walter Smith. Smith’s squads included the likes of Paul Gerrard, Alessandro Pistone, Niclas Alexandersson, Tomasz Radzinski, Mark Pembridge, Scot Gemmill, Alec Cleland, and Tobias Linderoth.
We’re on course for less than 50 points in back to back seasons – last time that happened was through 2000/01 and 2001/02 seasons. Moyes finished with less than 50 points only once in eleven seasons.
Win percentages have dropped each season: 55.3% in 2013/14, 31.6% in 2014/15, and currently stands at 26.4% in 2015/16
Points return has dropped each season: 72 in 2013/14, 47 in 2014/15, on course for 46 in 2015/16
Goals against have gone up every season: 39 in 2013/14, 50 in 2014/15 on course for 54 in 2015/16. Prior to Martinez, the last time we conceded 50(+) in a season was 2003/04 when we finished 17th with 39 points having conceded 57.
We’ve conceded 2 goals within 7 minutes of each other on 10 occasions this season- when heads go, they go
In the seven months (and 27 league games) since beating West Brom 3-2 on 28th September, we’ve only won once against sides not in the bottom 3: a 3-0 win away to Stoke (currently one place above us in the league). Wins home and away v Newcastle and Aston Villa, and a home win against Sunderland in that time.
Points per game return for Martinez in his time with us split into chunks:
Games 1-20: 38 points- 1.9 PPG
Games 21-40: 36 points- 1.8 PPG
Games 41-60: 21 points- 1.05 PPG
Games 61-80: 29 points- 1.45 PPG
Games 81-100: 27 points- 1.35 PPG
Games 101-110: 9 points- 0.9 PPG

https://www.evertonarentwe.com/2016/04/28/martinez-cold-hard-facts/

 

As long as it isn't Moyes or Hughes then I will be happy. I would be happy with Howe, but with the alleged level of investment/use of TV money for transfers I feel he won't be an option

 

Moyes would jump at it, but he's got no chance imo.

I like Howe, but we need an experienced winner at this point, not another promising up and coming.

I'd take Koeman, but I have a feeling it's going to be Pelligrini.

 

A lot of money on Mark Hughes, apparently.

 

I can't see him going this weekend. Why would you take him out on a friday before a game.

Make him see out the game then get shut of you want.

If you are seriously only worried about a home game who cares really. let it happen. If theres 2mil in his contract to let him managed 3 games whats the harm at this point. If theres no new man.

If you had a replacement who was free to come then I'd be saying get him in and run the rule over the players and assess whats needed preseason.

even running them til they drop for a new guy can assess fitness.

Eddie howe is going nowhere IMO.

hughes is not much of an upgrade though he's done ok at stoke.

I would have thought this billionaire would have had some ideas prior to buying in but it seems he didn't so you ought to be a bit worried by that and thats not wumming.

 

In reality if you were looking at everton squad

biggest let downs have been stones and barkely...

baines has been injured too much and he could be on the way downhill rapid. Coleman has been in ijured a lot. both are best outlets and run like dogs up and down.

Mccarthy is best CM but also injured

Barry is very old and slow but only DM.

jagielka is always injured

deffo and lukaku are good options but deff never trakcs and ****s up coleman totally.

Baines and pienaar were best options on left but both are crocks.

 

No wonder the Bookies are booming.