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Off Topic Vote to abolish the white elephant

Discussion in 'Swansea City' started by swanseaandproud, Apr 20, 2016.

  1. Matthew Bound Still Lurks

    Matthew Bound Still Lurks Well-Known Member

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    Why stop there , how does being ruled by Putin or Obama sound
     
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    More attractive than Dodgy Dave and his Eton buddies <laugh>
     
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  3. Kifflom!

    Kifflom! Well-Known Member

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    Yes he is a nice guy, Valley. I disagree with his politics and he knows it but I've been to his home, met his wife and so on. Lovely bloke, honestly but I think being in power has gone to his head a bit. He's genuinely not that bright. Right place right time for him I think, being Rhodri Morgan's right hand man when he stepped down.

    When you watch people who really know their onions debate him he's useless. Farage ate him for breakfast in the Welsh EU debate, but at least he was the only leader who agreed to take him on.

    But Wales deserves better. I'm not sure who but we do.
     
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    DragonPhilljack Well-Known Member

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    Well I'm taking inspiration from my pint of Tiny Rebel (The full Nelson) at the king Arthur, and the Plaid Cymru leader is looking rather good at the minute, she has got more vision than all the others put together...........<cheers>
     
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  5. Kifflom!

    Kifflom! Well-Known Member

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    Leanne Wood? <laugh> A ridiculous woman. She'll tax everyone out of existence to increase welfare and open the floodgates to migrants if she had her way. Plaid are one step away from the Greens who are one step away from Communists. Those people don't like business, entrepreneurs or enterprise. They see those things as cash cows to pay the less well off in society and kill aspiration with everything they touch. Look at the fiscal mess the Scots are in with the SNP.

    No thanks.

    Love the King Arthur though. <cheers>
     
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  6. swanseaandproud

    swanseaandproud Well-Known Member

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    Yes get rid of the white elephant that will change everything. Changing parties wont change a thing it will still be an expensive talking shop for over paid nobodies....
     
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    swanseaandproud Well-Known Member

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    Leanne Wood...<laugh> I cringe every time i hear or see her speak......They really need a new leader and fast....,<ok>
     
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    You do her a disservice, she's a lovely lady!........:emoticon-0103-cool:
     
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  9. Kifflom!

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    <laugh> Yeah, sure.
     
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    Nosugarman1 Well-Known Member

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    She's so narrow in her views and when she speaks sounds more like a parish councillor than the leader of a political party.
     
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  11. swanseaandproud

    swanseaandproud Well-Known Member

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    I again listened to tonight's assembly debate and it was as i predicted that everyone would gang up on carwyn <laugh> especially the Tories and plaid just to score cheap points. They no more than the man in the moon could not do any better and if god forbid the Tories gain power we wont have an NHS in wales they would privatize it before we know it. Abolish the thing...
     
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  12. Kifflom!

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    I didn't see it but it's no surprise anyone would "gang up' on Carwyn. Labour have had power since 1999 and have to defend their record. Let's look at it.

    The fact is we now have a worse record on education and health than England. Health boards being put into special measures all over the place; massive waiting lists; people lying in the street for 5 hours waiting for an ambulance; spending money on daft incentives like banning vaping when today the Royal College of Physicians have said there is no real health risk; Welsh scools performing worse since the abolition of league tables (there's a survey on that); bribing small companies with large amounts of tax payers' money to set up shop here when they will employ only a limited number of people; giving huge public grants to businesses that end up leaving when they go bust with a trail of debt behind them; selling public land at a snip when it's worth millions because of rank incompetence (they had to issue a public apology over that one); the list goes on and on and on. Poor old Carwyn. <laugh>

    I wouldn't lose any sleep over losing the Assembly because Labour will always have a degree of power whilst daft morons keep voting for them. Anyone who argues that the Assembly has been good for Wales needs to make that case and I'd be interested to see it. The fact that turnout is usually around 35% tells you everything.

    There is a political Party called "Abolish The Assembly" so maybe you should vote for them. Personally I'm looking forward to UKIP getting some seats. Then we may have some hope. :)
     
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    It is so easy when your not in power to criticize those in power and there is nothing wrong at all about that if you add how you would do better if you held the reigns of power.....But these bunch of nobodies were just trying to score points and it was an embarrassment to see. None of these idiots should ever be in charge of running the welsh economy and should hand the power back to Westminster where there is the welsh office to run things in line with England. Its costing half a billion quid to run the Cardiff assembly before anything is done and that is plain bonkers. The Welsh office costs a fraction of that and gets things done better......Looking at that lot who were suppose to be debating how wales can better itself was a joke and its obvious to everyone that none of these AM's could organize a piss up in a brewery. We know just by the comments on the streets that Labour are going to win again and nothing will change and if like me i would not vote for any of them then vote on the ballot paper to disband the jobs of all AM's and go back to how wales should be run from Westminster and the Welsh office....We dont need this expensive talking shop draining Wales of money that can be better spent....
     
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  14. Nosugarman1

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    I watched the debate and when the steel worker asked what they would do to save Welsh steel they nearly all waffled, the only one who tried to give a realistic answer was the UKIP candidate and he was mocked by the idiot Leanne Wood and some of the audience. It made me wonder whether the BBC had hand picked the audience. I am totally opposed to on land wind farms so that's the Greens, Libs, Labour and Plaid out of the window straightaway. I think the Welsh Assembly is a waste of money anyway and just think of the money saved if we didn't have to pay for 60 AMs and their staff as well. I confess I did vote for the Assembly in the referendum thinking that it would be better to have control of our own budget, but all that's happened is instead of the majority of decisions being centered on London they are now centered on Cardiff to the detriment of the rest of Wales
     
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  15. Kifflom!

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    Wind farms are hugely expensive and don't produce enough electricity for the eyesores they create. Until the technology improves they are a non-starter. I remember years ago driving from San Francisco to Las Vegas and hill upon hill was covered with the damn things. It was awful. The only ones who benefit from it are wealthy land owners.

    UKIP are causing a stir this time for sure and the polls are looking good. Remember that for all that idiot Leanne Wood's exposure during the General Election (my English friends asked me "who on earth was that dreadful woman?") they came in behind UKIP in the popular vote in Wales and are running scared. I'm hoping that at the very least they destroy Plaid and the Lib Dems on May 5th.
     
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  16. Matthew Bound Still Lurks

    Matthew Bound Still Lurks Well-Known Member

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    Although the output for some wind farms is small they do add to the generation needed to power the grid but why blame the investor ? (it's mostly investment companies and the like who own them ,the landowner gets either a one off or annual payment for having them on their land ), successive governments have neglected the power industry for decades hence we're now seeing a glut of alternative cheap in relative terms sources of energy being built .
    We have lost a number of power stations recently with no new builds to make up the shortfall and believe it or not Wales is the most difficult places in the UK to get planning permission passed for a commercially sized wind farm . Scotland on the other hand has an energy target of obtaining 100% electricity demand equivalent from renewables by 2020 so wind farms and solar farms ( which in my opinion are far more intrusive and where you lose the ability to use the land for agricultural purposes because you can't have access due to the electrical risk ) are here to stay and will only get bigger and taller due to the publics need for energy .
     
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  17. Nosugarman1

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    I agree with you about solar energy farms but with subsidised funding solar panels could be put on every roof in the country and there should be a change to building regulations to force all new builds to have them. This would not be as intrusive as solar farms and do away with the necessity for wind farms. Our beautiful countryside was despoiled by waste tips which have now mostly been landscaped but why go back to ruining the countryside with these ugly machines. We live on an island surrounded by water, we have rivers which have unused water mills on them which could be renovated to produce electricity. Whilst they may be expensive initially in the long term hydro electric systems will give us a more reliable power source.
     
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  18. Kifflom!

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    You're right Matt. But I blame the land owners and the investors, not for trying to make money, but for contributing to the eyesores across the country that we all have to put up with. If you balance that against the energy they produce, it's disproportionate. I'm no fan of coal-fired power stations pumping out filth but I'm not convinced on wind or solar power at all - at least not until the technology improves to redress the power balance.
     
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  19. swanseaandproud

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    We are an island ffs surely the best way is to use Tidal energy....Wind power apart from being an eye sore everywhere you see them is far to expensive for the amount of energy it produces and is useless when there is no wind....The tide comes in and out twice a day and far cheaper to build and run than any wind farms or nuclear plants...
     
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  20. Kifflom!

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    We also have the 2nd highest tidal range in the world. There is a case for utilising that.
     
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