Off Topic MARTINEZ COUNTDOWN

So how come there's so much anger towards Martinez and so little towards the players? #disproportionate

 

I never watched a Klopp game though, seen plenty of Mourinho and Pellegrini

 

Garbage.

Why didn't they have the same issue in his first season then?

Why have our goals conceded in the last 15 minutes of games increased in line with his time in charge?

It's a combination of fitness, tactical idiocy and a lack of defensive drilling - and it's got progressively worse.

 

What you'd never watched a Dortmund CL game?

**** off

 

So you made a judegement on someone you never watched manage a game

 

I gave my opinion based on the amount of information I had at that time

 

Blaming the players for our awful league season is avoiding the simple and obvious truth.

Martinez is the reason we've been ****e this season, same as he was last season.

I'd agree that some of the players should be having a look at themselves, but it's what happens when a manager loses the dressing room.

 

I don't watch the CL except for Liverpool, or when Man Utd or someone are getting humiliated, otherwise too boring

I watched 10 minutes yesterday, boring as ****, just players and managers screaming for decisions every 5 seconds

 

You're fortunate that the search function is currently down on this site, as I'd have vaulted you to **** with that crock of ****

 

Rubbish, total tosh. If the players can't concentrate for 97 minutes, pick up their player as they did for the other 75%of a game or even try tracking back they want pumping. the only negative against Martinez is that he has made excuses for players performances for far too long. i wish he had come out with this statement at the end of last season!

 

people always look for the easiest person to blame, nobody blamed the underperforming players under Rodgers did they?

 

But he doesn't 'pump' any of them ffs! That's part of the problem.

Do you think Moyes, Klopp or Mourinho would watch Barkley fail to track a midfield runner, or jog back as someone sprints past him in the centre of the pitch -week after ****ing week, and fail to tackle that basic issue? He can't blame anyone but himself, as the way they've been playing is how he's instructed them to. He's obviously not given Barkley a shooing for that example, as otherwise he'd have ended up hooking him and then dropping him for failing to carry out his orders.

Defending the clown after 2 years of failure is incredible.

 

How do you know that he hasn't been critical in private?

But this is the first time he has public ally been critical of the players. He has supported and defended players who have let him down. Players who haven't even tried to turn things round with hard work. Play amazing at home against Chelsea......then shot the next week, same setup, same approach from manager/staff.

 

So taking my example of Barkley - do you reckon he's been critical of that aspect of his play behind closed doors?

His comments today - including the wage budget, was him trying to portray his performance as being 'our level'.

Look prospective employers, I've achieved what I should have done here......

You mention the Chelsea game - the only game THIS YEAR - when we've closed down the opposition in that manner, pressing high up the pitch and closing down every yard of grass. Do you not think that's odd? Are those his instructions every week? If so, why the **** doesn't it happen?

Or was it a case of the players deciding they were going to chase and close down Chelsea irrespective of his instructions.

Whichever way you cut that, as a manager he's failed in his duty.

 

They didn't struggle for fitness that game did they, or switch off for the last 25% of the game. Maybe it's the only time the manager has told them to try?

Or they wanted to try?

 

Tactically (assuming it was tactical at all) it was a complete contrast to what we've seen all season.

Any manager worth his salt would have taken that as the benchmark and players failing to replicate that level would have been dropped.

The fact that we immediately reverted back to the same one paced, stand off bollocks that has become his trademark for 2 entire seasons, suggest to me that it wasn't his doing at all.

There's been rumours of dressing room disquiet since the mid point of last season, and for me - Hull away on New years day 2015 - should have been his last game in charge.

 

So the blame can also lay with the players and lack of efort then

 

Possibly - driven by their complete disillusionment with his tactics

 

But as professionals they decided to put this into practice for 90 mins against Chelsea and 45 mins against United.......until added time and they went back to the managers tactics?

I guess Liverpools performances were just down to the manager, that Klopp has coached hard work and effort into players who pushed for 2nd a few years previous?

 

The manager is responsible for selecting tactics, motivating players, helping players who are out of form and saying the right things. Unfortunately even though you can blame some of the players, this ultimately comes down to the manager. Look at barkley, is it because he's become lazy that he just walks around when he doesn't have the ball because he's now regarded as a key player or is martinez instructing him to conserve his energy. To be honest i think it's because the lad is knackered and has been overplayed in which case martinez should be resting him.

You guys put up a good fight against united but why the hell did martinez think it was a good idea to play the full 11 in a nothing match mid week against Liverpool.

He's a manager who has good qualities but he will never be a top manager. He's essentially a Brenden Rodgers or a Wenger Lite