These junior Doctors need to grow up an appreciate just how lucky they are and stop being greedy. they chose to enter the training and they have already had their hours cut and given a pay rise. They moan about working week ends...OMG there are not many jobs that don't work weekends. They are on a good salary as it is with a potential of earnings exceeding £100k per year if they become a GP.....They have been given more than a fair deal that other professions can only dream of and they are no more important than anyone else.....stop being greedy and get back to work you ****ers...
Your buddy Carwyn of course gave the doctors what they wanted in Wales hence no strike. I take it you don't agree with Welsh Labour on this issue then? I actually think that as far as the strike is concerned there's a political element to this strike from the BMA. I don't like that.
Dai, this strike is not about pay. It's about working conditions. I fully support them. As usual, your facts are wrong
So you're not voting Labour in May then? Hmmm..... In Wales the doctors were given what they wanted. This avoided a strike but whether you suppport the doctors or not this means that England will eventually have a 7 day NHS whereas if you have a life threatening injury on the weekend in Wales you are statistically more likely to die from it. Also, it was Labour that screwed up the GPs contracts when Blair was in power. A GP friend of mine thought she'd won the lottery. A huge pay increase that we're all still paying for, whilst home visits became a thing of the past. Governments of all colours have completely mishandled the NHS over the years and someone needs to get a grip. It would be interesting to see how many of those junior doctors are voting to stay in the EU because if we do, TTIP is coming and that would be the beginning of the end for the NHS anyway and this strike would be rather irrelevant.
They're making hay while the sun suns,the NHS is slowly being ground down and to gain access you will eventually need a private insurance scheme , not today or tomorrow but definitely in the near future .
You may be right Matt. It's definitely not what the people want but TTIP will almost certainly open up the NHS to the big American health corporations. If we vote to stay in the EU the full horror of that will haunt those who voted to remain.
Thats possibly one of many reason why the likes of Obama , Cameron and the like have such a vested interest in the UK remaining in the Eu ,boards of directors do like their company share prices high to allow share dividends to be so profitable .Fingers in many pies have our electoral represenatives
Exactly, this strike is about working even harder. Whilst a 7 day service would be welcome, they are trying to effectively squeeze a 7 day service in from the existing 5 day working man staff. That just means a ****ter service Monday to Friday
I am with the Dr's on this, I am not so sure it is about the money, but the hours they have to work, would you be happy flying on a plane, travelling in a coach, when the pilot or driver has already worked 16hrs in a day. Mistakes will be made.
It's about the hours and safety, they are working long enough hours now, without adding further burden, as usual it's the scum Tories trying to get blood from a stone. Dai getting it wrong as usual, with his endless bollocks. As for Wales, How and why is our health service struggling? we are only 3.5 Million surely we can manage this better.............
I know exactly what the strike is about perfectly well valley......Working conditions are far better than most jobs and they are well reimbursed for the job they do...Im sorry they dont like working weekends but that's the way things work. Have you ever been in hospital these days, You cant find a doctor for love or money and kept waiting for hours before someone comes to your aid and they are not with you for more than a couple of minutes and disappear again leaving you is some corridor somewhere where there is space.......They don't work hard at all compared to shift workers and shop workers,police and firemen/women. they don't know what working hard is all about. They are asked to work 5 days over a 7 day period and they want extra money if they work sat/sun. The poor bastards are very hard done by aint they......Their conditions are far better than most so i object to them putting lives at risk and they should be grateful they have a well paid job for the actual work they do.....They have had their hours cut and given a large pay rise so they should do the job they are paid to do or find another profession... and stop moaning they are hard done by....
Only you could compare 'Shift and Shop workers' to Junior doctors and consultants? do you ever engage your brain before dispensing all this bollocks......
Stop acting like a wally dragon A dustmans job is just as important as any junior doctor...every job has a value so what makes a junior doctor more important
You really have no clue, but I guess I shouldn't really be surprised. I am not a doctor, nor linked to the medical profession but I know many friends and family members who have chosen this profession and as such know exactly how hard they have worked (study wise and work wise) and what sacrifices they have made to become doctors. I wanted to be a doctor but did't get the grades (wasn't bright enough)....and in hindsight I am relieved. I have a good job, which does require weekend work at times, and am paid pretty well for what I do.....however, I'm not asked to make critical decisions, regarding someone else's wellbeing, whilst being sleep deprived and knackered. It's what they have to do, pretty much all the time, day after day, week after week. For that, they surely deserve at least a little respect, which I will give them. Just in case it has escaped you, we do actually need doctors.....unless you are superhuman, which maybe you are Dai! As others have said here, it is less about the money and more about the # of hours and being able to work safely.....so they can do what is right by us.
Dai, I agree. Every job does have value, and delivers value to customers / end users / patients...whatever. But there are different levels of value and they come with appropriate pricing. Surely even you can see that the value a doctor brings is higher in value than the value brought by a person keeping our streets clean (to use your example).
I'm sorry but saying that a dustman's job is as equal as a doctor's is like saying all cultures are equal. They just aren't. Yes, both are essential but in different ways. If push came to shove most of us could get to a landfill but have you ever tried do-it-yourself open heart surgery? I should imagine it wouldn't turn out well. I think there's middle ground. I understand what the Government is trying to achieve but I'm not convinced that Jeremy Hunt is being stright with the public and there is right on the doctors' side. However, it's pretty obvious the BMA are trying to make this a political strike and that's not good. Both sides need their heads knocked together imo.
Tell me what makes the junior doctor so special that they should get more money if they have to work the odd week end.....? Not very many occupations pay extra on a weekend these days so why should they.....They think because they have a DR in front of their name they are worth more......They don't know what hard work is....sack the lot of them.....
But those who don't get paid to work weekends have their weekly hours included in their weekend rates, if they work over and above their contracted hours then they get paid for it. I totally agree they shouldn't get more money if it is part of their contracted hours, but anything over and above surely should be paid at an enhanced rate. the hours that Junior Dr's work are scandalous and extremely dangerous and a lot of them are our future consultants and senior consultants. We can ill afford to be loosing any more personnel from the NHS. I saw how they have battered the police pay and pensions, when I was serving and luckily for me I got out in time, But unlike the Dr's the police have no right to strike and now way of standing up to any government that wishes to impose pay and condition changes on you. o I am right behind them.
Dai next time you have to go into A & E and a Dr isn't available then I assume you will be happy to have dustman do an initial diagnosis
