96 unlawful killings. http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...ter-inquest-jury-returns-verdict-live-updates
Thank **** for that, let the relatives and those affected move on now. Its dragged on for too long as it is.
Hillsborough was an accident waiting to happen. No mention of the FA though who probably knew the risks as it nearly happened when Tottenham played there in 1981 and the FA still didn't do anything about it, us fans in the 70's and 80's were always getting caged up like animals it was bound to happen unfortunately.
The worst I experienced was St James' Park in the late 80's (I think) massive push forward and a big concrete barrier sticking out at chest height if you were at the front - my friend broke 3 ribs when we played Newcastle there simply because there was a massive push from the back which forced us kids into the barrier. (not a dig at Newcastle as there were loads of grounds like that, just there was always a push there where there normally wasn;t in the other grounds we visited)
From the BBC site Hillsborough fans unlawfully killed, inquests conclude The jury had to answer 14 questions about the cause of the 1989 disaster in which 96 football fans were fatally injured Jurors answered yes to the question about whether any police error caused or contributed to a dangerous situation The behaviour of Liverpool fans did not contribute to the dangerous situation at the turnstiles Jury now delivers its findings into the medical cause of death and time on each victi Not really sure how anyone can possible say that! So those that broke through the turnstiles and pushed had zero blame on them? Rubbish - yes the police were negligent and there was an awful lot of blame to them - but I maintain that, if no-one pushed, no-one dies! Well documented that liverpool fans were planning on getting in without tickets as they regularly did in those days. Are they just saying this because they feel sorry for them? I have sympathy for the families of the 96, but maintain that a portion of blame should lie with the fans that caused the police to make those decision to open the gate (or whatever it was - I was only 13 at the time so it's a bit of a blur still!) Am I controversial in thinking like this?
All grounds were similar in one way or another, Sunderland had steel barriers we used to rest on, or sit on when i was a kid. Supposed to prevent a big crush at the bottom as the crowd surged forward, just lots more smaller crushes instead.
27 years on and on the day that the inquest verdict is revealed and ignorance of the actual facts of the day still abounds.
Yes sadly, I think you're right. Although the police, ambulance service, council as well as SWFC have all been implicated.
Comes in, has a look and retreats quietly away. Odds on this thread getting closed eventually are short.
What were the actual facts then Tobes? Did you witness the whole thing? It's my opinion that, without Liverpool fans pushing, nobody would've been crushed Not denying that the police have been cowardly and full of **** when revealing (or not) details of the disaster and the main blame lies squarely at their door. But SOME Liverpool fans must have responsibility for causing the Police to make the decisions they fatefully did
So did nobody push then? You have totally avoided the question? Simple question Tobes. I totally agree the police are the main ones to blame but how can anyone get crushed if nobody pushes?
That's just total **** you ****ing plum. They fed them all into one pen you ignorant ****. Imagine you sending your bairn off to a match & he comes back in a coffin because of some arsehole copper. How would you feel?
Going to remove my opinions from this thread as it seems to be upsetting people me asking those questions and having my opinion.
I can't believe that you're pontificating about the supposed 'guilt' of the fans on the day of the inquest verdict (that exonerated them of any blame), without even bothering to acquaint yourself with the facts. What happened was that fans were herded down one of the internal tunnels leading down to the terrace. The terrace was made up of 4 pens - and the crowd couldn't disperse equally across the entire terracing. - meaning pens 3 and 4 were massively over crowded, and this caused the crush. The sight of people climbing out of that terrace should have been enough to alert the authorities of the ongoing disaster unfolding, but they kept the pitch gates shut and 96 innocent football fans were unlawfully killed as a direct result. The terrace wasn't even at full capacity at the time of the disaster, with the 2 outer pens still with space in them. You're welcome....
Point 4 is so untrue - I used to go to away games and it was usual for fan presure to lead to close shaves and there was reported evidence of fans getting into wrong sections at Hillsbrough. Lets hope this is the end of it all for this horrible disaster - IMV aignified silence outside outside the court not a rendition of You'll never walk Alone - looked very embarrassing -Imo
Interesting part of an article in the telegraph I remember something being said at the time that he had just recently got the job or something so was he experienced enough in crowd control to handle an event like this; " Did Freemasons play a part in cover-up? In a report next year officials will also conclude whether Freemasons influenced police decision-making at the time. Mr Duckenfield told the fresh inquests he had been a Freemason since 1975 and became head of his local lodge – a Worshipful Master – the year following the 1989 disaster. He said he did not know if his promotion within South Yorkshire Police in the weeks before the tragedy was influenced by his membership of the so-called "secret society" but added: “I would hope not.” His predecessor Brian Mole, now deceased, had also been a member of the same lodge, jurors were told Separately, officers are nearing conclusions into whether politicians and police leaned on newspapers for favourable coverage. Cabinet Office papers were sent to officers as the extent of Whitehall involvement is explored. The Hillsborough Independent Panel which examined 32,000 documents was described by investigators as the "catalyst" for the new investigations." edit : here's the link http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...s-police-chief-david-duckenfield-among-key-f/
