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FosseFilberto said:
... <laugh> ... you mean like posting the Harrold article above? ... or is that ancient history too? ... I'm not excusing Vardy ... but he at least normally takes some contact ...
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If you are not excusing Vardy then what are you talking about.
Klinsmann dived, nobody here disputes that or condones it.
 
Spurs or Sex? said:
Since when have any of us "Spuds" (<laugh> can't believe a grown adult still calls us that, bravo you legend) defended Klinsmann's diving?
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... a common reference on the general Prem board ... if it offends I do apologise ... I'm not saying that any of you have defended Klinsmann diving ... but I doubt you complained at penalties won (same on the Harrold one) by him either ...

.. the extent of the righteous indignation that many of you have towards Vardy's 'cheating' has little to do with the general principle ... and everything to do with your hope of overhauling us and therefore anything to help the cause ...

... how many of you didn't celebrate the last minute equalisr against West Ham above because Harry might just have manufactured an equalising opportunity? ... I suspect we both know ...
 
Spurs or Sex? said:
One instant where he booted the ball at Wilson's head when Wilson was grounded after a foul earlier in the season, only got yellow carded for that. Someone called for action to be taken after the game but as the ref booked Huth with the yellow, no other action could be taken.

Can't remember the opposition side but he's tugged and grappled the guy to the ground from a corner when already on a yellow and the ref's missed it. Even against West Ham he literally performed a wrestling style manoeuvre on a West Ham player. He's been doing the grappling since his Stoke and Boro days though so it's nothing new. Great defender but he's a dirty bastard.



The second is definitely not debatable, the guy has cheated to try and earn a penalty. His whole body suddenly moves in Ogbonna's direction despite the defender not actually making a tackle and then goes down like a sack of potatoes, then has the audacity to raise his hands as if he'd been fouled and gave the ref a bollocking once he was sent off.

The first as I said was soft but countless players get bookings for those and similar fouls, 4 or 5 of Dier's this season shouldn't have been bookings but that's **** refereeing for you. Though as SD did mention it was also for persistent fouling.
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Exactly! What's to argue about ffs? He blatantly dived, got a deserved yellow for simulation, and then compounded it by calling Moss 'a ****ing ****'.

Now, if he'd called Moss a useless tosspot, I might have had a bit more sympathy! :tongue:
 
FosseFilberto said:
<laugh> ... you Spuds do seem to have rather short memories about conning penalties against the Spammers ...

Overreaction Theatre: Dive Talkin - how Harry Kane missed the memo about young English players not diving
Harry Kane went down very, very easily to win the penalty that have Tottenham a 2-2 draw against West Ham on Sunday.
By Eurosport 22 February 2015 15:10

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Yeah, that was such a clear dive that they decided to use a completely different incident for their picture to illustrate it! <laugh>
The actual picture of Song pulling him back and stepping on his left foot tells a different story:
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In short, you cheated to get a draw against West Ham. We didn't.
 
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PleaseNotPoll said:
Yeah, that was such a clear dive that they decided to use a completely different incident for their picture to illustrate it! <laugh>
The actual picture of Song pulling him back and stepping on his left foot tells a different story:
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In short, you cheated to get a draw against West Ham. We didn't.
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One if these days Flossie might get his foot out of his mouth!..<laugh>
 
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PleaseNotPoll said:
Yeah, that was such a clear dive that they decided to use a completely different incident for their picture to illustrate it! <laugh>
The actual picture of Song pulling him back and stepping on his left foot tells a different story:
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In short, you cheated to get a draw against West Ham. We didn't.
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... nice still <laugh> .... but is there really enough contact to make a robust lad like Harry go down like that? ...

http://metro.co.uk/2015/02/22/did-h...oppage-time-penalty-against-west-ham-5074041/

.... I think you cheated <laugh>
 
FosseFilberto said:
... there is a certain irony at Spuds sanctimony and righteous indignation ...

... remind me who this guy played his club football for ?... wasn't he a bit of a cult hero .... you'll really enjoy the second movement component ... it is absolutely priceless
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I'm not sure what age you are but I am guessing that you're too young to remember that season? When we signed Jurgen there was uproar about his diving in the World Cup and Euro's. Our first game at Sheffield Wednesday featured their fans holding up 6.0 signs as if scoring a diving competition. Jurgen was told by Teddy Sheringham to dive if he scored a goal to shut everyone up! He only ever did it in jest when he played for us proving Germans definitely have a sense of humour (look at their haircuts for God's sake!).


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This is funny.


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This is pretending to step on a landmine.
 
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The Changing Man said:
But its a foul! pulled back and tripped, no dive here.

So from what your saying your man would have rode this challenge would he?
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No ... I'm being honest enough to admit that Vardy manufactured it and it shouldn't have been a penalty because of that ... I don't think Harry is 'tripped' either ... he feels some contact and goes over very very easily ...

... Ogbona's arm on Vardy's shoulder has been readily dismissed by all on here as incidental ... yet Song is forcibly hauling Harry back? ... do me a favour <laugh>

... but there is a coming together of Song's foot with Harry's! ... it's a contact sport! ... "not all contact is a foul" ...

Can Harry stay on his feet? ... of course he can ... why doesn't he? .. coz he thinks that a penalty is a better option ... not much difference to the Vardy incident in that regard...

... nice to see no element of hypocrisy eh? ...

Anyway - had my say - will leave you lads to your self righteous indignation ... <cheers>
 
The Changing Man said:
Klinsmann had a well earned reputation as one of the 'worst' divers in Europe when he arrived, but if you can find footage of him diving in our shirt in the premier league (except in ironic celebration) I will be very surprised.
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Once again, this takes us back to Premier League referees having an interesting interpretation when it comes to players having a reputation for diving: Klinsmann and Ginola had reputations for diving before they joined us, while Bale picked one up after Brendan Rodgers mouthed off to the press about him, which led to all manner of irritating statistics such as Bale getting booked for being legitimately fouled on more than one occasion or how we were awarded one penalty in 76 league games when Ginola was at the club.

Yet on the other hand there's the likes of Suarez, Gerrard, Owen, Showpony, Beckham, Scholes, Rooney, Young, Drogba et al who all have hard-earned reputations for flinging themselves to the turf regardless of the nearest defender not even being close enough to make contact, and the ref gives them what they want more often than not.

Last time I checked, there isn't a provision in FIFA's Laws of the Game saying one team should be given the benefit of the doubt as it's far more important they win than anyone else, yet time and again referees act as if that's the case.
 
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Wonder what you thought when Alli dived the other week and, when asked about it, he grinned and shrugged his shoulders.
 
FosseFilberto said:
<laugh> ... you Spuds do seem to have rather short memories about conning penalties against the Spammers ...

Overreaction Theatre: Dive Talkin - how Harry Kane missed the memo about young English players not diving
Harry Kane went down very, very easily to win the penalty that have Tottenham a 2-2 draw against West Ham on Sunday.
By Eurosport 22 February 2015 15:10

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That's not even an image of the foul that got the penalty given. If that article's what you're basing your opinions on then you should really think again as they clearly know nothing about the incident.

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There was also a clash of legs which tripped Kane up, which is not pictured.

But if you want to bring up examples of Spurs players diving, they're not hard to find. Modric did it against Real Madrid, Rose did it against West Brom, Zokora did it against Portsmouth(I think). It still doesn't change the fact that Vardy very clearly dived and got a well deserved second booking <ok>
 
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