Passenger liners make stops. Just because you are on board, you don't need to sail to the final port.
YOU ARE WRONG - the first time and now. If it took 10 votes to get us to vote yes, we would have had to vote 10 times. We were not FORCED. None of our votes on EU treaties were pointless. You are right in one thing, I am repeating myself and going around in circles as I am speaking to an amadan who refuses to listen.
I know, it's terrible isn't it. Did I ever tell you I hate Jack Russell dogs. I say that as a dog lover. Nasty little things who keep snapping away at your legs no matter what you do or say they will always be the same.
No, I simply have no inclination to reach the final destination if that's complete econimic and political union. Doesn't mean I shouldn't remain on board when there's plenty of other benefits to being there.
The EU would become a shell. The true Union would be the Eurozone of 26 states that would make the laws. We'd be bound by the rules of a club made by others in whose interest it is to run us down eg Frankfurt/ London. I'd love it if you could convince me this won't happen
King hell, at least when Col and I are going at it there is a little bit of content. And I say that as a pompous representative of the liberal elite (no defence offered, m'lud).
Is that the Mayflower which didn't really know how to get where it was going, lost its companion ship very quickly, took twice as long as expected to cross the Atlantic and relied on the generosity of the pre-existing local natives to stay alive because they weren't self sufficient originally? The Mayflower that had immigrants who were moving away from changes at home because it no longer suited them? I'm no expert on the Mayflower, but that's my understanding. Just asking... Everyone, I realise it might get boring if we stuck to facts rather than opinions, but we could give it a try... Anyone? (cue tumbleweed blowing past) PS: The Mayflower and recreation of the original village at Provincetown is actually a nice way to spend an afternoon. The highlight for me being a role-player telling everyone he was from Devonshire "to be sure, to be sure" in a broad Irish accent.
a little disingenuous Dippy, considering it was the early 17th century and hardly the P&O Line. Although they did manage to get back in half the time they took to get there
What's disingenuous is making a case for voting "No" (to stay) by referring back to a romantic view of the UK and the world that no longer exists. No, not you - that was just little a bit of tongue-in-cheek fun, and you picked them, not me - but what Gove, Johnson, Patel, Duncan-Smith and Farage are saying. If they were only able to speak about the benefits of leaving and not able to speak about the things they don't like about staying, then we'd not be hearing much. I'm not impressed by the Remain campaign either. I know, let's play a game. Let's pick something that we think will be true if the UK stays or leaves the EU, depending on your own preference. I'll start... Q: If the UK votes to remain in the EU, what will change? A: Not much. We'll still be part of a large organisation that brings strength to its members through its market size, despite frustrating some of its members, some of the time, by its very existence. The UK will still sell the same value of good and services that it does today, to the same countries, with the same amount of perceived interference.
In whose interest it is to run us down? Where did that come from? If that's what you truly believe, then nothing anyone says will make a difference to you.
