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Details of how technology would work in football

Discussion in 'Southampton' started by Onionman, Apr 17, 2016.

  1. fatletiss

    fatletiss Well-Known Member

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    Which is why I have championed spending money on training and developing refs younger and quicker.
     
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  2. fatletiss

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    Want to bet? Two minutes to go, losing team in the attack... Mourinho will be waving that challenge stick like a mad man.
     
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  3. tomw24

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    I just don't think any more technology should be introduced. Mistakes happen in all aspects of life so why should football be any different?
     
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  4. TheSecondStain

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    There have always been cheaters in football. When TV cameras started to cover games in decent quality, around the advent of PAL 625 line colour, then we began to spot them, albeit in real-time. Although instant, slow-motion, replay was available even then they just didn't use it to question players behaviour and referee decisions. Instead it was used to highlight skill and goals. Post-match analysis, of the kind we know today [albeit without the computer graphics], became properly established around 1980. This led to Brian Clough telling John Motson about having less post-match analysis and more actual football. So let's say we stop the practice of after-game experts and slow-motion analysis. Now there's a genie who definitely won't get back in, and it's the one which is the cause of all the trouble because they will continue to poke the camera in the direction of the cheaters and poor referee decisions. It means we're now totally addicted to near perfection from game officials [yes, there are several who will shout not me] and punditry and analysis won't stop going on the hunt for the divers and cheaters. And nobody wants them too either now [sorry Brian, you were right at the time - click the link]. Consequently, there has to be a usable method of getting the officials to see every significant infringement and be able to make a decision in reasonable time.
     
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  5. SoriaSaints

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    Technology can work in football if their is a big enough desire and money for it such as goal line technology. It can easily work in the Premier League and Championship. Below this level money and facilities become an issue. Who will pay for it, do stadiums in League 1 and 2 have the space to install enough TV cameras to make it workable.

    If technology is used to review decisions there needs to be strict rules. I my opinion it needs to be only used in goal scoring or penalty decisions. For example a referee can go to the TV ref and ask for example "I think the striker handled / fouled defender before scoring, can the goal stand?", "Did the striker dive or can I give the penalty?", "I'm not sure if the defender fouled the striker / handled the ball, do I need to give a penalty?". However, the final decision has to be the referee on the pitch and the tv ref can only be an assistant like linesmen.

    The number of TV reviews referees make is a quantifiable figure you can use to judge their performance. If they refer every decision then you can ask what are they doing on the pitch?

    Sadly pay someone to win at a sport they will find a way to cheat. It happens in all professional sports. Technology will go a long way to eliminating cheating because it will be harder for players to get away with it and they cannot complain because they have been caught at the time and not after the fact. Imagine less Arsene Wenger whinging after games!!!

    Technology works in other sport so their is no reason it can't work in football but it is complicated and difficult to introduce.
     
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  6. Beef

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    Never ever going to happen. You really think managers will moan at a player that wins a last min pen which wins them the game?
     
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  7. Whiteley Saint

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    I believe that technology could work in football in some form. Apparently the ball is only in play 55-60 minutes of each game so a minute (or less) to review something shouldn't in theory be a problem as long as it's an exceptional action (big decisions that he's not sure of) and not for every single thing. It should be the refs judgement when to use it, although maybe the person doing the reviews could say to him that he may want to review something. It should still be his decision. He in turn would be monitored to ensure he was using it as intended and not for every little decision. Time could be saved by getting the players to accept the refs decisions like they do in rugby instead of being stroppy like badly behaved children. ;)
     
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  8. Archers Road

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    You'd have to incentivise them somehow. It would require imagination, but it could be done if the will existed.
     
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  9. VVD

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    And I think in Rugby the ball is about 40 minutes in play.
     
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  10. Beef

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    Managers won't care how they win. The Prem is too cut throat for them to. If it means them winning games by players diving or losing their job it's a easy choice. It's why it needs to be taken out of their hands and handed to some one else.

    Along side videoing reffing (only for sending offs and pens decisions).

    I feel the FA should chance up a few rules:

    1. No matter if a ref sees a incident or not. The FA should be able to look at that incident and hand out bans or longer bans if they need.

    2. When a player is seen to have dived, it gets looked into. If the panel agree that the player dived, that player gets a 2 game ban.

    3. They need to stop players mouthing off or surrounding a ref. Again this goes to the panel and is looked into. Warnings, then one game ban, then heavy bans all handed down. Players need to set a example to children not act like dick heads. (Rooney would never be on the pitch though).
     
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  11. ChilcoSaint

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    Agree 100%, especially the last point, which as a rugby fan is the one thing about football I absolutely hate. Referees get decisions right the vast majority of the time, and even when they don't, they never change their minds. Any dissent should result in the free kick being moved 10 metres up the pitch, and if that means it becomes a penalty, tough ****. Players would soon learn!
     
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    I would go down harder then just free kicks etc. As my post above states. I can just see it needing a harsher stance then free kicks etc.
     
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    Yeah I'd agree with all that. I particularly like the retrospective action on diving.
     
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  14. ChilcoSaint

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    Further to the above, I saw this earlier on Facebook. Thought it summed up some footballers perfectly:
     
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    Yeah the AFL guy dived.
     
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  16. San Tejón

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    If technology is introduced, then surely that will mean the ref being miked up, like in rugby, so he can explain decisions to the crowd?
    And while we're at it, how about a head cam?
    Might actually persuade some of our footballers to curb their over reliance on profanity, when talking to the ref, if they knew their every word and gesture was being recorded, and might even bring about a more reasoned approach, when querying decisions. I live in hope....
     
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  17. Saint Helen

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    Losing points rather than a player for a game or two may just make clubs/managers change their stance on diving, cheating and abusing the ref.
     
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  18. saintlyhero

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    Sorry to pick up on a throwaway joke Beefy, but this is kind of parenting 101. If Rooney or any player knows the rules and more importantly knows the ref will enforce those rules then you can stop this kind of behaviour pretty sharpish.

    Like in any walk of life we try and bend the rules to suit our objectives as best we can, but if the punishments are strong we will adapt our behaviour.

    I believe the 10 yard rule for dissent still exists in football, but has hardly been implemented since its introduction a couple of seasons ago. Refs are not helping themselves in this regard
     
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  19. It’s Only A Game

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    They tried that once in 1989/90 and decided it might not be the best idea.
     
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  20. Qwerty

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    She took a year out to have a baby.
     
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