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Why Ehab needs to start attending matches

Discussion in 'Hull City' started by neverdullinhull, Apr 7, 2016.

  1. Barchullona

    Barchullona Well-Known Member

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    As things like that seem to bebthemost important thing as far as the OSC is concerned I would say that is a fair assumption.
     
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  2. Fez

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    No, you asked "What's the punishment for breaking the NDA?" I said none (as I assumed, fairly, you referred to the NDA we were all discussing), as I do not see how they can possibly progress it; it's not a guess, it's a judgement that I believe will be correct. If you were asking about NDAs in general then my answer would have been different, but you weren't, even though that might have been your intention.

    I've given you a reasonable answer, no guesswork, I am sure I am correct. I wouldn't have a clue what the penalties are for breaking a NDA, as there are so many variables.
     
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  3. Fez

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    To be fair, it is essential for their community and charitable works, which many of us have agreed is extremely commendable. There is no doubt they are trying to find the balance and I do appreciate it is not easy; I am glad they have gone quiet on here, that helps them.
     
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  4. dennisboothstash

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    I still think there is a chance that they might sit on it until the point at which they know for sure what league we will be in next season
    They know they can get away with more inconvenience if we get promoted, because there will be more people wanting to come back and fill empty seats
    I think we all know on here that is a very short term view, but there you go
     
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  5. Barchullona

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    Yes, their charitable works are indeed commendable. But the OSC have always had an obsequious attitude towards the club, not just under the current owners either, going back a long time and under differing stewardship.
    A lot of them regarded the sort of people who get behind the club vocally as rather vulgar and a bunch of chavs.
     
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  6. DMD

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    As I said, your answer is "I don't know". You've just used a lot of words to say it. Please don't reply, I don't give a **** what you THINK I asked. <ok>
     
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  7. The Omega Man

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    You are so far behind the times with your view of the OSC.

    one of the most vocal supporters I know now is the editor of the TigerMag. The new board encourages younger officers to take on roles.

    The OSC may have been different in the pas, but it is actively promoting things foe younger supporters. We are now even on Snapchat, whatever that is!

    The board of the OSC is made up of supporters with a wide range of views. Our meetings are quite lively and strong opinions' often clash. Directors may not see eye to eye and no one is shy at expressing a view. We are just the same as any other group of Hull City supporters. I have not been to a quite meeting yet.
    Sorry about the typos, my phone is rubbish.
     
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  8. Chilton's Hundreds

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    It's obvious what the punishment will be - naughty step and no more invites.

    Attendees should have refused to sign any NDA. They're representing the fans not themselves. That's why it's FANS Working Group.

    However, I know it can be difficult to take a collective stand in such instances so I'm not criticising those that attended.

    The blame lies with the club. The new scheme should have been discussed openly with fans first and opinions sought about the
    proposed changes. Have 5 or 6 meetings with fans if necessary and make sure it's a workable scheme.
    What has happened can be described as shambolic at best.
     
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  9. originallambrettaman

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    No NDA - No meeting.

    It was as simple as that.
     
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  10. Chilton's Hundreds

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    You should have said no deal. Made a collective stand.
     
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    Making a stand is all well and good, but if the people you're making a stand against aren't really bothered if there's a meeting or not, it's not going to achieve much.
     
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  12. DMD

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    Agreed. No criticism of those that attended, they were put in an almost no win situation. In a similar position, I expect I would have signed.

    Are you able to say if a penalty was specified, and if so what it was?
     
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  13. originallambrettaman

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    None that I'm aware of, though to be perfectly honest, I can't remember what the NDA actually said.
     
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  14. Fez

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    So, know what you think you asked, but didn't. And we were doing so well. <laugh>
     
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  15. Fez

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    Were any of you made aware of the NDA before turning up?
     
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  16. Trumpton Tiger.

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    Have they improved since Bernard Noble came out in favour of the name change and spoke as though he was representing the OSC ?
     
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  17. Fez

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    I haven't seen anyone else enlighten you, as once information is made public in any way, an NDA can’t be enforced.
     
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  18. Fez

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    How much of this was followed, or, more importantly, not followed?
    • Non-disclosure agreements
    Published 12 March 2015

    Contents
    1. Before you share information
    2. What to consider
    3. Types of NDAs
    4. Before your meeting
    5. During your meeting
    6. NDAs and public authorities
    7. Further help
    8. More like this
    1.Before you share information
    The best way to keep something confidential is not to disclose it in the first place. If you do need to share information you should use a non-disclosure agreement (NDA). This could happen when you speak to potential partners like:

    • investors
    • manufacturers
    • stockists
    You may have to tell people about your idea or your business to get advice. This could be from:

    • accountants
    • banks
    • financial advisors
    • insurance brokers
    • business coaches
    • or a marketing agency
    It is important that you don’t assume conversations with advisors are automatically confidential.

    An NDA is a legal contract. It sets out how you share information or ideas in confidence. Sometimes people call NDAs confidentiality agreements.

    Your IP attorney or solicitor can advise on confidentiality and draw up an appropriate NDA for you to use.

    2.What to consider
    You should decide what your NDA covers. It could protect only information which is recorded in some form and marked ‘confidential’. It can also protect information you share in meetings or presentations.

    A good NDA restricts the use of the ideas and information to a specific permitted purpose. This could be the evaluation of your idea or the discussion of a joint venture. Specify that purpose in the NDAas precisely as you can. You can always widen the permitted purpose later. You won’t be able to narrow the restriction on the use of your ideas or information later.

    You should be realistic. The person you are talking to might need to share your information with others. This could be their employees or professional advisors. They may also need to copy your information for this purpose. Make sure that these disclosures to employees and professional advisers are made in confidence.

    Think about how long the confidentiality should last. It’s common to see it limited to 3 or 5 years. After that time they will be able to use and disclose your information. Once information is made public in anyway, an NDA can’t be enforced.

    Some information could be kept confidential forever. Examples of these are:

    • non-patentable know-how
    • lists of customers
    • personal information about the individuals involved in a project
    Some companies or organisations could ask you to sign a document agreeing that they will not have a duty to keep your ideas or information confidential. If that is the case, you need to decide whether to risk disclosing your ideas to them.

    3.Types of NDAs
    NDAs can be one way or mutual. Use a one-way NDA if only you are disclosing information and a mutual NDA if both parties are.

    If the NDA is one-way only, it may need to be executed as a deed to make it enforceable. This is easy to do, so don’t make what should be a one-way agreement into an artificial mutual agreement.

    If you and the other party to the NDA are not both in the same country, the NDA will need to state which law governs the agreement. Remember England and Wales have a different legal system to Scotland. It will also need to state in which courts it can be enforced. It is important that the courts of one country are not given exclusive jurisdiction. You may want to enforce the NDA in a different country if an unauthorised disclosure is made there.

    4.Before your meeting
    Don’t disclose your ideas or information until the recipient has signed and returned the NDA to you. Without an NDA, you are taking the risk that others could use your ideas or information without your permission.

    Always check any NDA which another party asks you to sign. Make sure it doesn’t unfairly restrict your future activities.

    You could ask your potential partner or advisor if they have an NDAyou could both use. Read it carefully as it might serve their interests rather better than it serves yours. If in doubt, take professional advice.

    Make sure the right person signs the NDA. This could be:

    • a director of the recipient company
    • an officer of the recipient institution
    • someone senior who has authority to give the undertakings in theNDA
    5.During your meeting
    You should record what you disclose at meetings or in presentations. Ask people present to sign a paper copy of a presentation, or a technical drawing to prove they have seen it.

    Record what information you disclose in informal situations such as discussions or conversations. Note when and where that took place.

    6.NDAs and public authorities
    Public authorities, including universities, have to make information available to the public if they receive a specific type of request:

    • the Freedom of Information Act 2000
    • the Freedom of Information (Scotland) Act 2002
    • the Environmental Information Regulations 2004 (the FOIA)
    You should make sure your NDA excludes these kinds of requests if you are talking to a public authority or university.

    7.Further help
    The IPO have developed a free online tool called the IP Health Check. This will help you identify the necessary practical and legal steps to keep your ideas and information confidential.
     
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  19. originallambrettaman

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    Yes, everyone was told they'd have to sign it if they wanted to attend.
     
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  20. Fez

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    Were you offered a copy of the NDA?
     
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