Off Topic The Politics Thread

If it's true I would like to hear exactly how they plan to afford and track these people down and get them out? … plus of course a timescale.
If they are here then they must be trapped, how can they travel out of the UK?

 

anyone can publish a guess. I think a pinch of salt is in order, especially from those people who don't trust the EU figures on anything else...

 

All those in Calais for a start, once we leave the EU and the French remove our border controls on the French side.

 

it's suits their agenda to have mass immigration, legal or illegal. Keeps wages down and supplies cheap labour

 

Just send them back

 

There are millions flooding into Europe Paul.
Nothing wrong with people wanting a better life for themselves and their families, it's when they want to kill me and mine that I have a problem. Also, many of them don't wish to integrate at all. Do you think that's ok?

 

I don't see how politicians publishing their tax returns helps. I don't want to know what tax they've paid, I want to know what they've avoided/evaded.

 

Agree. It won't say how many Bahamian or Cayman bank accounts they have, or if they own a Panamanian company. There should be a declaration by MP's about what interests they and/or their immediate family have offshore, with criminal sanctions if they mislead. Auditors make similar declarations of independence in their job.

 

...and if the French are going to be that vindictive in the event of Brexit (Calais part of a bilateral agreement after all, not an EU one) then perhaps we should send back some of the French people that make a good living in London (London being one of the largest French cities)

Of course no one wants tit for tat which is why President Hollande will not be that unreasonable - it's not in his or his voters self interests

 

The French have always been that unreasonable, that's why they put the camps at Calais and Sangatte instead of outside Toulouse. They want the refugees to get to the UK. If you really think that Brexit will improve things, you are wrong. It will be far more likely that they will be helped onto trucks and trains and waved out of the EU.

 

I did not say Brexit would improve things. The status quo will be maintained. What evidence do you have that the French want refugees to get to the UK? Their police have been battered at times by the refugees. Recently they have pulled down camps. They want us to pay our way on fencing etc, which is fair enough. They may ask for a greater contribution after Brexit but they would probably have asked for that anyway

 

This is far from my specialist subject but what makes the UK so attractive to someone from, for example, Syria?

I'm not saying this should be a hostile country and it's great we're probably the most tolerant nation in the world, but to me the key thing would be to make the UK a less attractive proposition. Prevention rather than cure.

 

I'd like to know what they may have evaded, but tax avoidance remains legal the last time that I heard. I'm sick & tired of people banging on about how it's somehow immoral to (legally) avoid paying tax. I avoid paying tax wherever I can: ISAs, entrepreneurs relief, non-QCBs etc. All legal. Frankly, I think I'm a better judge of what to spend my income on than the government.

We vilify Cameron, yet nobody seems to criticise 'heroes' such as Jagger, who's been avoiding 'em all his life.

 

The avoidance methods you cite are of course legal, indeed they are encouraged - sensible tax planning if you like. These are a world away from the dubious offshore avoidance schemes in common use. Cameron has done nothing illegal, but he has been hypocritical and pretty damned stupid. He himself called 'aggressive' tax avoidance immoral.

Jagger is no hero of mine btw.

 

I can confidently say if I had the money of Jagger or Cameron I'd be hiring a good accountant to help me use every legal means of tax avoidance possible.

 

As you say, nothing illegal has been done here.

I'm no fan of Jagger or Cameron either btw.

 

At least Jagger had the good grace to **** off and live somewhere else.

 

The French have posts in Dover, the tit for tat will be them having to go.

Of course post-Brexit the UK "will be taking control of our borders" so all the Europeans will need visas and have to leave the country anyway.

So the Irish/European R's should start factoring that in for next season.

 

We have a common travel area with the UK and it has been confirmed that this will remain even in the event of a Brexit. We don't even need our passports to travel to the UK (and vice versa) and that will not change. Remember, we are the only country with a UK land border and you don't even know when you have crossed it most of the time. The only noticeable difference is our speed limits are in KM's per hour and our signage is in two languages and at times, the roads worsen when you cross South to North - it used to be the other way around.