For the record, and to just straighten up one little lie that keeps being attributed to me, I have no problem whatsoever with the Allams being criticized. I also haven't agreed with everything they've done. I do tend to wait for all the facts before blowing up online mind, actually ok, I haven't blown up online, because it serves zero purpose, which puts me in a minority online. What I object to, strongly, is the thinly (and sometimes not so thinly) veiled racism used to talk about them. I object to the use of childish and offensive terms used against them. I don't like lies and innuendo, especially presented as fact. What I respect is manners and courtesy. If you don't have that, you have nothing. Interesting how this discussion has turned too. Given the supposed outrage and cancelling of STs, and certainly online more upset over this new pass idea, I'd be gobsmacked if the Trust doesn't gain a ****e load more new members. If you don't, there's something seriously wrong. Obviously won't be PLTs fault, it never is. It would have been super if the Trust had been able to be more proactive and to work alongside the club with regards to the new proposals. Sadly bridges were very much burnt, opportunities missed and golden chances spurned. Obvz that's not our resident anti owners fault either. I'm sure all of us would happily sit down and discuss what we're going to do with our money with people who post the nasty **** some do on here. Wouldn't we?
It might be that people have given with the Allam's, realising you can't negotiate with them as an individual or a representative group. Just hoping they sell up soon like they said they would.
Show me where? I think Obi starting a thread on here advising people to email their displeasure with the club was a damn sight more proactive than wait and see. Dont you?
Yes ta. Back to work today, but I'm still ****ed mind. Discovered the old decking, in good nick, behind the shed. With fence posts. Plus other wood. The missus just tutted and wandered off when she saw me staring at it with undisguised happiness.
So, you criticise people for moaning about a membership scheme before all the details are known but post this - "Eh?? Dont you think the membership bollocks isnt a crisis and a reason for a Trust to get new members and represent them?? Because I do.". So they are wrong to moan about it but you are right to say it is bollocks and a crisis despite not being in possession of any more details than them?
The Trust made the first move when it sponsored Sone Aluko. It didn't have to hand over our money to the club but did so. It made further moves with Mark Gretton's resignation and as far as I know PLT has not been anything but respectful at the FWG meetings. We both know that I think the Trust missed an enormous opportunity with the East Stand evictions and proposed closure of the Upper West. It could be argued that the leading Trust members on here expressed their personal views but large numbers, including myself, took that to be the Trust's position. I have doubts that the club is serious in wanting to talk to supporters. They adopt a take it or leave it attitude when it suits them. If we were top of the league the membership scheme would have been implemented as was. The backlash together with the quiet words behind the scenes have had an effect. How much we'll find out when the scheme is announced. If we don't get promotion the club is in serious trouble. We lose another £5 million in TV money, we're likely to lose Huddlestone, Elmo and Sone Aluko for nothing and we may see thousands decide they have better things to spend their money on. Hopefully Bruce will be gone. If he does go we have to rely on the Allams finding a good manager who can build a team to take us back up. The Tiger Nation is divided and demoralised. Only the club have the power to do anything about repairing that damage. I agree with you our club is likely to turn to ratshit, however, Ehab has to decide whether he wants to do anything about that. It doesn't have to be in public, but he has to decide whether he wants to make that move. Finally, I think we have a crisis in our representation, neither the Trust or the OSC have big enough mandates. Over time that may be rectified but if we've turned to ratshit it won't be a pretty sight.
Everything you post is so littered with rubbish. You don't like lies and innuendo? Bollocks or you wouldn't be the Allams' biggest fan. You love it when they lie and defend them to the hilt every time. So many of your posts are full of lazy, vague accusations and never ever backed up. How can you seriously write that you don't like lies and innuendo? It's what your whole ridiculous Internet personal is built on. Golden opportunities have been missed? What are you on about? Since you definitely do not like lies and innuendo this won't be something made up so go ahead and list the opportunities which have been presented by the club and missed by the fans. You devote so much time desperately trying to discredit a group of volunteers yet you never actually say anything. You "don't like lies and innuendo presented as fact" yet it's all you ever post. I can't understand what you think you get out of this.
The new Trust hadn't been formed when the stand changes happened. Criticise CTWD for inaction if you want, but not the Trust. The Trust hasn't missed an opportunity with the closure of the Upper West, because the final scheme hasn't even been published yet. When it was mooted as part of the draft scheme, it was strongly opposed by the Trust's representatives.
Just to strengthen your case a bit, a number of olive branches have been offered by the fans and each time the club has failed to make the most of the opportunity.
Troll. That is what he is. He has been caught out in his lies, he uses them to try and discredit others. Other Trolls have been banned, is he different?
I stand corrected. I defended the inaction of CTWD both on here and in private at the time. That doesn't stop it being a missed opportunity. The Trust could have organised a meeting of Upper West pass holders (yes I know you don't have a list, but you could have used social media and the press), helped organise a delegation to meet the club to discuss the proposals, maybe influence the review and perhaps recruit some more members. To me that's a missed opportunity.
If my customers were to post nasty **** about me or my business on a forum, for sure I would want to sit down and discuss their problems.
The Trust is engaging with Upper West pass holders, and all supporters it has contacts with. But we are waiting for the final scheme to see the light of day, in the hope that the feedback already given (feedback requested from the Trust's reps by the club, incidentally) will stimulate a rethink. There are no opportunities yet missed - in my opinion.
CTWD can't really be criticised for inaction when E1-E3 was cleansed - as I believe, the newly formed Ultras went to the club and proposed a move into the North stand, their argument was that such a move would increase atmoshere within the stadium, with the benefit of hindsight, how wrong they were. CTWD were a one topic organisation, their mandate was to oppose the name change, nothing more. I'm happy to be corrected if my understanding is wrong.
