No he didnt have a crack at it a few years ago. He had just 8 games and unable to use his own players. The deadline had passed to bring in loans. He literally took over a sinking ship. Not his fault whatsoever.
Where is this proven failure? 3 promotions in 4 full seasons and maybe soon to be 4 promotions in 5 full seasons. So I ask again, where is this proven failure? LJ however, just once manage to finish in top half and that was just 9th Yes wiz, really successful that is you sir are completely crazy
LJ has been appointed 3 times to struggling teams and each time he has managed to steer each club to safety (fingers crossed I'm not speaking too soon). That in my opinion is success, DC failed to do it when he was put in the same boat. Also in his previous two jobs LJ had his sides flirting with the play offs the following season and if the season had started when he took over in January that is where we would be now. He has also taken Barnsley to the Mickey Mouse Cup final. Now at a lower DC has done ok apart from the one failure mentioned above. Getting Salisbury promoted to the Conference with all their difficulties was in my opinion a much better performance that getting yourselves promoted last season. There is no getting away from that fact that this season has been a good one for you but many sides have shown in the past that in the season following promotion momentum will carry them to another promotion campaign. You are happy with DC, we are happy with LJ, I would rather have ours than yours (or Warnock) and I'm sure you would rather have yours (or Warnock) than ours , comparing the two is a bit difficult because DC hasn't managed at the same level as LJ as yet. DC failed when he was given a struggling side LJ has not. Next season will probably be the big test for both of them. LJ with a Championship side that needs to push on. DC with either a L1 side to consolidate or with a L2 side trying to pick itself up with a disappointing end of season.
Couldn't have put it better, spot on, I've got fed up of trying to explain the difference in standards and quality between 2nd and 4th/5th tier..
You do realise that when LJ took over Oldham, Barnsley and yourselves, LJ had plenty of time to change things. He was able to bring in players in on loan to effect where they ended up. Look at Tomlin and Odemwingie for example this season for you!! He was able to save Oldham and Barnsley in the same way. DC didnt get this chance. He took over after all trransfer and loan windows were shut. He had just 8 games which isnt enough time to change things to stop a sinking ship. DC didnt fail. Higgs and the rest at board level failed. The players who didnt give a **** failed. Maybe these sides were flirting with the play offs the following season after LJ was because the new manager was better? You are correct. Big test for both next season. That is when you will finally admit that you wished you had Warnock instead Oh and if were are in league 2 next season, I dont think any gashead would think it was a disappointing end to the season. Majority thought we would be mid table anyway so whatever happens, this season has been a good one for us. Wiz, cut it out
But when he took over weren't you out of the relegation zone and he in fact did lead you into those bottom two places? Actually he left both Oldham and Barnsley when they were in play off contention, it had nothing to do with the new managers. What is it and your love in for Warnock? LJ will be at City a lot longer than Warnock will be at Rotherham. And DC doesn't manage the players and not the fans? I'm willing to bet that the players will be disappointed if they don't get promoted.
I can't see why we are making a comparison. one is a guy who has had conference and 4th tier experience only, the other has played in Championship, League 1 and Scottish football, managed 2 clubs in league 1 and now holding his own in the 2nd tier..
I have said numerous times, he took over a sinking ship. The emergency loan window slammed shut and then the following day Ward stepped down (or shall I say stepped up to DoF) and DC took over as manager. Why on earth did Higgs sanction this at this point of the season? What a terrible time to make managerial changes! That should have been done in the summer. All gasheads were confused, worried and angry about it when it happened with 8 games to go. I think if Ward stayed in charge, we still would of went down. We had players who thought we were safe and couldnt give a **** and was planning their holidays already. So DC didnt have the support from his players and he didnt have the luxury of what LJ has had which was the use of the loan window. DC never stood a chance as the team was in decline and sinking fast. Higgs fault and the players. But if you insist DC is to blame then really lets spin it and say he is even more successful than what I have been giving him the credit for. Going down enabled us to get rid of players who were dead wood. Going down enabled us to sort out our finances and build from stratch bring players in on reasonable wages and length of contract compared to what we were giving out before relegation. Sometimes you have to go backward to go forwards. So if DC was responsible for our relegation then he is even a bigger success then what I have given credit for But he isnt responsible for our relegation though. Dont think so Loaths. Here is his record again http://www.not606.com/threads/the-s...al-banter-thread.268113/page-103#post-9118329 How were Oldham and Barnsley in play off contention when LJ left them? Oldham were 9th when LJ left and lost his last 2 games with them. They ended up 15th. Never really good enough to be a contender Barnsley are in a play off contention now. Thanks to their new manager. LJ left Barnsley in 12th. They now sit 7th. Im sure the Barnsley fans are happy LJ has left them If you look at his CV, there wouldnt be anything in the achievement section as manager. I have no love for Warnock. I just think he is better than LJ. I said this and then made a little bet about him being above LJ over a certain amount of games. Obviously during those games his name would be mentioned while we are having some banter. The bet is over and I got 7 results correct out of 8 but the 1 I got wrong meant I lost the bet which we been talking about since. Again, obviously we would be mentioning his name while having banter about it. Dont get banter confused with a love in for him I dont think DC or the players would be feeling disappointed. DC been saying all season top 7 is his goal and thats the goal the players been trying to meet. Im sure we will finish top 7 and DC and the players will be proud of what they done this season and will have no regrets
But for the record, you have mentioned LJ's playing and managerial stats but only talk about DC's stats saying he has only had conference and 4th tier only. Just to let you know, he has played L1 & L2 for Mansfield - winning promotion as a player with them too! He has also played L1 & L2 for Hartlepool - winning TWO promotions as a player with them too! So DC, like LJ has L1 experience too. Scottish football isnt impressive. Their prem is basically our L1 at best! But well done for him getting a few games in the championship though
Not really Wiz. I just answered 3 points in 1 go. I could have put it in 3 different comments but I made it easier for Loath to reply to me by putting it in 1 comment so he doesnt have to make 3 different replies. Keeps the thread tidy and also neither can get confused to what point we are bantering about. I do consider others when I post you see
Oldham were 9th but only 2pts off the play offs so yes I think we can call that in play off contention unless you think your lot aren't currently in contention for automatic promotion. Barnsley were a bit further away but they had just won 7 on trot got to a Wembley final and LJ had won manager of the month so a dash for the playoffs weren't against the bounds of possibility. And for the record I agree that Clarke was sold down the river a bit when he took over but he still has a failure on his cv whereas LJ has not. DC has a couple of successes in Amateur leagues I give you that but LJ has started at a higher level probably because people rate him higher
Or more likely because they knew they were going to get a free call of wisdom from his Dad! And of course his move to AG was to join his mate SL and to do as he will be told!
