Good post. All spot on. For some reason Ehab is at all the Ressies games at Ferriby. So he obviously does enjoy the game.
Why would I respond to the first word? I'm sure he's heard of Google. Any likelihood of yours and the other committee members stating their views on the owners in their bios on the hcst website? No? Let me know when you gain the courage of your convictions. No standards at all.
Finally, you say something with interest. The HCST committee members could state their thoughts about others, that would be great, we'd all be so much wiser. Oh, ****, hang on. I know, this is a joke, isn't it. The very next day they will deny it won't they? Thinking about it, they don't even have to delete it, do they? Hey, do you know, it just gets better. When they deny it they can demand apologies, can't they? Comedy Gold,this, Snigger. Moving stuff.
As ever, it's clear that you don't even know why you're angry. You're just sure that you don't like those Supporters Trust types and need to have these weird rants at us. Every so often you make this bizarre comment about bios on the Trust website. I can't believe you keep thinking it's worth posting.
Soz to disappoint you but I'm not angry. I'm bemused. Your lack of honesty and integrity amuses me. One face for the club and your members, another on here. It's actually a little sad as well. What's so wrong with "his favourite player is Alex Bruce and he thinks the chairman and his son are utterly contemptible and need to sell ASAP"? What's so scary about being honest?
Do you not see the irony in you going on about honesty when you're the biggest Allam fan going? Plus you're getting mixed up yet again if you think I have a problem with Alex Bruce. You just need to have a bit of a think before you post this stuff. There's absolutely nothing dishonest about me, my bio on the Trust website or my posts on here. We both know you can't say the same, and our glorious owners certainly can't.
He was using Alex as an example of you putting what you really think. You do take things literally. What he's trying to say is you hate the Allams call them ****s at every opportunity but no mention of it on the HCST website. I've just read your new rules you arent allowed to now are you.
That would be an example of putting something I don't particularly think at all. It says Ashbee because he is my favourite player. Sorry, taking things literally again; if the pair of you post random bollocks I'm afraid I can't decipher these super intelligent hidden meanings you're so keen on. I'm sure it's really obvious to the two of you though. You say 'call them ****s at every opportunity' like it's something really out of order. If they were innocent, nice people you'd have a point. They're not, instead they made it their mission to appear ruthless and to bully people. Why on earth would there be any mention of people's views on the Allams on their respective bios on the HCST website though? What else do you want on there?
The problem is, you try and rationalise the argument with them and their argument is irrational, so you are unable to achieve anything. They like and admire the owners, warts and all. They ignore their lies, insults and manipulation; bloody hell, they like it, they even copy it, on here. Snigger's the Dick (Turpin) of the board, but with a difference; he holds up the school bus and takes their ticket money off them, and their grandparents - good community spirited soul.
The thing is, above anything else, unless you're planning to provide a new owner, the Allams are the people you need to deal with if you expect to change anything. The somewhat dictatorial and abusive comments on here, simply close that opportunity.They'll probably mean that new owners would be reluctant to work with the trust too. It's no good a supporters group just abusing them and whining about things you don't like and then wondering why the club don't listen, without offering a real and practical alternative or demonstrating something tangible that the trust itself has achieved. It's largely why, despite a series of issues affecting fans, the trust membership is falling. I don't know Geoff that well, but I've met him on a number of occasions, and in my view, he is a good choice to have at the helm, because he comes across as considered and respectful, and also capable of compromise but in a way that maintains his basic principles. I think the other committee members could help by showing that it's a united mind set. You're either trying to drive them out, or finding ways of working with the Allams. You need to make it clear which it is. Simply saying they're ****s that you can't work with is not a viable position for a trust. You don't have that choice.
You still don't see the irony in your accusations against the Allams and the way you present yourself to the club and your expectations they treat you with respect, courtesy and honesty. It's the same. That's why it's funny and ironic. I should have explained about Alex, I forgot you'd take that literally so apologies for that. I actually can't remember your views on him. I couldn't be arsed checking who your fave player is on there, so just picked a random name. I almost just put xxxx but that looked odd. Seems I picked a good one.
Exactly. I think Geoff is a fab choice too. It's just a huge shame when the deputy is a rabid Anti, and I don't think views like his should be hidden or swept away to present a united but fundamentally dishonest front. Standing on the sidelines, the Trust is doing nothing for the fans, while the OSC is really making an effort to engage with us.
I suspect the reason why the membership of the trust is falling is no different to why attendances at matches are falling and people are starting to lose interest which is because of::- 1. the Allams attitude to the fans, they may have pumped millions into the club, but all the nonsense with the name change, spats with the Council, price hikes, membership schemes, forced seat moves etc etc have a negative effect on peoples attitude 2. Brucie's, pathetic, negative tactics, lame excuses, poor signings, a general malaise on the pitch and huge opportunities wasted 3. matchday experience, no passion, over enthusiastic stewarding, difficulties in getting problems sorted at turnstiles/ no ticket office etc it all adds up and depending on individual tolerance levels eventually people have simply had enough - the club have totally failed to keep their customers interested enough to want to maintain their loyalty -it's the entertainment industry, if a pop star started abusing his/her fans, started playing crap songs and singing out of tune, do you think they would sell many tickets and do you think the fan club would be flourishing - of course not - in this day when budgets are tight and people have many differing financial commitments some people have just had enough of all the ****
The reasons you've quoted for the decline, are actually opportunities for a supporters trust to grow, especially one born out of conflict, but it needs to demonstrate it has something to offer. Numbers generally fall during periods of stability.
The OSC is a social organisation, it's easy to engage with everyone if you never oppose anything. I commend them for their fundraising etc, but they're never going to represent fans when it comes to issues at the club. I realise for you this isn't an issue, as you agree with everything the owners do, but a great many do not.
I would agree to the extent that if the passion is there for the conflict then fans will come together, unfortunately for the reasons given, fans have simply surrendered and left the battlefield - when there is a leader that inspires you and you believe in them, then it is easy to follow, when that leader is a dictator and you don't believe in them, then it is easy to walk away
The OSC and the trust exist for different purposes, they should be complimentary, not in opposition. The OSC does voice some issues on fans behalf, keeping that annoying twat announcer for one, but people looking for a voice, don't seem to be finding the trust their chosen option up to now.
