Off Topic Political Debate

There is no deliberate intent, maybe I am just being rather more flippant in anticipation of the response - it's not something I have really noticed. It's hard to take this thread seriously when you try and make what you consider a valid point to a discussion when in response you are labelled a "Vile Tory" or a "Xenophobe" - the massive irony is that I have not voted Tory in years!

 

I vote Tory and have what some on here think are rightwing views. If that is not acceptable then I'm quite willing to cease posting.

 

OK, I haven't read this in a year (I did try to catch up a bit but I'd missed 260 pages and I quit when I'd done about 20 ).
I quit the forum because I believed I was being attacked without thought. I guess I'm hoping we can return to a debate based on respect. I think that's probably (don't know or really wish to know him better) beyond some. I would hope that everyone on here is capable of that, on all sides. Respect is earned though SH, and baiting and riling as apparent post objectives will get you labelled a WUM. If I see that others are treated with respect by you (I'll be able to tell by their responses to you) then I'll remove the Ignore and be happy to engage with you (this should not be considered a proposal of marriage, always read the label ).

 

There are options. There is help to buy, there is shared ownership and in terms of saving you have different values as to how to enjoy your life. If you have to spend money on luxuries like going out and drinking alcohol (not saying you do) then of course the time spent on saving is going to be harder. It appears AFC has decided that he would spend less and save more in order to buy his property.

I suppose you can always move out of london too and commute in!

 

OK, I will try and move this on...

In light of all the information that is expected to be revealed from the Panama Papers, a fine example being the PM's involvement. What is the view on the stomach of our politicians to actually address this, also considering that other politicians of different flavours i.e. Margaret Hodge, have also been caught out in the past in a similar position. Do the political classes that are now completely intertwined with the establishment of this country, really have an interest in addressing this issue?

 

This is precisely why although i would never have voted labour in the last election, with the additional benefits cuts, the bullying in parliament of Corbyn and the fact that most of the politicians from both sides are tied in with the establishment, i think i would be quite happy to vote for Corbyn who seems a bit more like the man of the people or at least gives me the impression he is not like the others.

 

I gave the breakdown of my budget per month, I was allowing myself £10 a day for food and non-luxuries, which is not much.

It would take me 4 years to save up a £25k deposit.

I've tried the commute in, did it for 8 months and it's not any cheaper, a season ticket costs about £500 a month.

 

But would it not then require Comrade Corbyn to replace much of the PLP with more like minded and less establishment figures like Margaret Hodge to enable this? That is something that I would really like to see and give the British people a real choice...

 

I think they (most of the 650 or so) are far from interested in representing us. Many are there to line their pockets or indulge their narcissist tendencies.

 

To be fair that is a chunk of change but you can get deposits much when buying shared ownership flats which are a dime a dozen nowadays which if your aim is to get on the property ladder (not saying that is everyones goal) allows you get to there at a more manageable pace.

Then there is the help to buy scheme which i'm assuming is eligible for you unless you aren't a first time buyer which will knock the deposit down to 5% is it? (not sure on the scheme) so you just need to be more prudent for a year if you really want to get on the property ladder.

As you say though, owning a house isn't for everyone and that might not be something you think is worth having at the sacrifice of others.

I for example could never work 7 days a week cause i'm too lazy but i can save a lot of money because i'm pretty introvert and bar playing football with my friends, i can sit inside the house all day watching tv series, football and playing computer games

 

Do you think, w_y, that less established figures would be able to garner the nation's vote in a country so currently obsessed with celebrity?
I would welcome anyone who is genuine, as I believe Corbyn is, to help run the country. I don't think we've had that in many many years. Is that because they may be deemed unfashionable?

 

Historically though land was seized an appropriated which is why huge swathes are owned by so few. In Yorkshire much on slavery money ( true).

I just dont think property should be used for profiteering..... the rich get richer and the divide grows.

My old family all grew up in a big old house in Kensington... which is how poor people lived... now the same property would cost over 3 million.....

 

Can we please stop this Comrade Corbyn stuff? Or otherwise can you post these links you go on about all the time?

Who's lowering the tone of the discussion now?

 

There is a bit of a theme here perpetrated by one or two... .I did comment on this before......

 

I think you are spot on regarding "celebrity" and I include politicians in that category. Because we now live in the world of a professional politician class whose main goal in life is to maintain their position and hence their lifestyle, then they really do not want to rock the boat too much and it also means they are inextricably linked to the establishment, so they are actually almost totally ineffective. Your question regarding if a less establishment figure could engage and garner the nations vote is a fascinating one - in the Tory party it is very unlikely to happen as I am sure most new candidates would have come up through the Oxbridge, Researcher and MP's Intern route, so are effectively establishment as soon as they land. But in New New Labour, it is much more likely and if there is a battle between the PLP and the CLP with less revolutionary MP's possibly getting deselected, then it is much more likely to happen. Of course it's a very different debate as to how long it takes a true Red Socialist MP to become entrapped by the establishment - a great case study would be John Prescott!

 

Apparently calling people 'hand wringing lefties', accusing them of 'having no ambition' or 'wanting handouts' is fine, but calling Tories selfish is not...

And I'm the one that started insulting everyone on this thread...

 

I felt denied of real choice for the majority of my adulthood until now. I voted Green for years because they were closest. I welcome the choice but fear the massive media attacks on Corbyn (for political reasons) will affect an electorate whose other voting experience is X-Factor and Come Dancing on Ice or whatever. I'm being glib, I know, but I'm worried by the preference for voting for style over substance, ie lack of
a) thought for the country (totally agree with Brian on this)
b) research into policies put forward, not assumed, and
c) basic economic and political knowledge

I don't care (i do ) if people are left or right, but there must be substance to the reasoning. Not because Cameron wears more expensive suits than Corbyn, perhaps looks better-groomed and is certainly more media -'trained'.

 

Or Kinnock! Totally different from the superb back-bencher he was.
Brown changed hugely from his university days, too.

 

Hi Yorkie - maybe I did not read your comment in the way you meant it and I thought you meant the land that our properties sit upon - but with you now!
But I fully agree that property in itself should not be used for profiteering...
My mother and father and my 2 older siblings lived in the attic of a house in North London and my mum's parents lived in 2 rooms on the floor below. As a baby, my sister slept in a draw! In the 3 other rooms in that house, other families lived. There was 1 toilet in the whole house and no bathroom. My parents treasured the commission house they were given in Hemel and they could bring their family up in a bright spacious house with a big garden. Eventually that house in North London was sold to a family of Greek Cypriots, who treated my grandparents with utter respect and care whilst they lived there as tenants - when we visited, I used to play out with their son who was my age. I would expect that that house would cost over a million pounds today.