Off Topic Political Debate

It's you Tory lot that keep on selling our state assets, when Corbyn is elected all that will stop. Any proof of your claim?

Our economy will be crippled in the short term, as most experts predict, but people like you are ok so it won't affect you as much as it affects the youth. The stats show that most young people want to stay in the EU, yet they're going to be outvoted by elderly xenophobic selfish Tory/UKIP voters...

 

I have never voted Tory in my life . I try to be fair and look at what is best for the UK . Plus im of an age that can remember how hard it was to trade with Europe before .

 

Are they in Europe?

 

I'm sure if we reject the idea of becoming hangers on to a European superstate they will be in for a little short term spite, however a brexit may well hasten the end of this failed project.

Interesting the Dutch voters have rejected closer ties between Europe and the Ukraine. They are bound to be told to keep voting until they get a result which suits the ruling eurocrats!!

 

Mr Toby, can you not resort to SH tactics of getting personal when you are not in agreement of political leanings. For example you have thrown the Selfish accusation but never responded appropriately back. If staying in the EU is better for us economically, why is that selfish of me to want to be worse off financially if thats the decision i think is best for UK Long term? Surely for my own selfish purposes I would want to be richer and stay in the EU?

Yes Tory boys are selling off the state assets which is stupid especially this stupid idea to sell off the land registry. To be honest Labour haven't faired greatly when they were in power with Brown and Blair part nationalising our health care. I believe the state should control key industries, but i don't think benefits should be so great that there is no incentive to work. Just because i am right leaning in some policies doesn't mean i don't agree with the left.

I think the current Tories are making a mockery and i don't think i would have any issue with Corbyn coming into power. The fact that old Dave wants to stay in the EU says it all really. Saying that i haven't ever voted so i can't really criticise how parties have got into power.

Where we also differ is you think our Economy will be Crippled and we will go bust. I don't think it will be as bad as you say so for the shorter term loss i think we will be better of long term.

Also you have no idea how old i am. I actually fit into the Youth category of voters so thank you very much i am thinking about my future

 

So now you are shifting the goalposts okay. Russia is in Europe

 

Us Tories are the current maj

Toby is king of the personal insults, its the only thing he does well.

 

Selfish is just another word for Tory for me, nothing personal

Blair and Brown were closet Tories, so I'm not going to defend their actions.

Benefits aren't 'so great there is no incentive to work', have you ever been on benefits?

I think Cameron wants to stay in the EU because he realises how much of a disaster it'll be if we leave and he doesn't want to be associated with breaking the economy. If we'd honestly be better off then we'd already have had a referendum a long time ago.

I'm 30 and I've already come to terms with the fact I'm never going to own a house in the South East of England, I'm only living here because all my friends are in the country, otherwise I'd be back to France.

 

to be honest i always thought you were the instigator... not so sure right now

 

No it's not. Read my post again, I said 'Europe'

 

Really? I've only resorted to SH levels debating because of the constant daily insults to anyone that disagrees with him.

I've explained the 'selfish' bit, you can't vote conservative/be right wing and claim to want to help others, it's all about improving one's own lot.

 

You improve the lot of everybody by having an efficient competitive economy. The present Tory government have several schemes to help young people buy property, even in the SE.

France is showing us the alternative to a right wing government, low growth, high unemployment and higher support for the political extremes, no thanks.

 

UKIP are polling high here?

Our economy is not 'efficient' by the way.

 

You are right. You did say Europe so sorry for getting that part wrong. Russia is a non EU member who doesn't contribute and whom Europe buys lots of commodities from.

Fair enough i won't take it personally now you have clarified this

I have been fortunate enough to not ever have been on benefits personally (and i mean in my adult life). Part because my mum told me not to go on cause she has a weird sense pride about not taking from the government when i was unemployed for 9 months. I guess i was fortunate enough for my mum to provide me with housing and food for that period. I was definitely poor when i was young and my mum worked her ass off as a single parent looking after 5 kids. The one good thing my dad left for her was a restaurant which we also lived above but other than that he was a big gambler and left us with lots and lots of debt which my mum worked her way out of. She did her best to look after us but i would go to school with odd socks or no socks and lived off hand me down clothes because i didn't want to spend her money on things that weren't needed.

P.s. i'm also 30

 

Yeah late response, i hadn't seen yours when i wrote that part already

 

Got lost in my thought as well as i had to actually go and do some work at my job as entertaining as this has been .

As for not being able to buy in the south east, that is because the current housing policy in this country is getting out of hand. There are not enough properties with too much demand from immigration into the south east (some may say i certainly would too much government investment into the south east) and not enough houses being built. Being able to buy a council house which i don't necessarily disagree with as i think its important for people to own their homes as indeed you do Toby as i'm sure you have aspirations is probably something we should temporarily freeze as we can't keep losing housing stock whilst there is not enough stock.

Unfortunately especially with London and the south east, as a liberal person you are Toby, when for god knows what reason London is so desirable to not only the rich but middle class foreigners, then the demand in London will always keep pushing prices up there as well as the surroundings so without kicking them out or restricting their immigration here, i don't think you will be able to own a home down here in the foreseeable future

 

The pound has been going down for some time .And as we import more than we export they will get more expensive .If we come out the pound will side even further so the cost of our raw materials go up .The cost of living goes up . People want pay rises . none of this good And for what SO we think the GOV will put less into the EU pot .the troys will lose the next election (some of you will be happy) The lab will come in spend what we dont have Then blame the torys for pulling us out of the EU

 

Canada, China and Russia need the EU less than we do Because they exports are less of there overall Exports than UK and by a very large margin.

 

I'm in my mid twenties and bought a property in London at 21. I worked hard, saved my money and purchased a property recognising it was a good time to buy. It isn't a house, but i was able to buy it by having the right attitude. Most of my friends with good work ethic of a similar age are on the property ladder in SE England and have purchased their properties under this conservative government. There are plenty of schemes for first time buyers and despite house prices being high and continually rising there are still possibilities for those who want to find them.

It's obviously more difficult for people who already have families and other financial commitments that make it more difficult to save (though again there are schemes to help with saving). But the idea that people resign themselves to never owning property in SE England is nonsense to me. If you'd just said London I could partially understand the point as in London it's difficult to buy a family sized house, though there's plenty of other areas of SE England where property prices are more reasonable and even getting onto the property ladder in London is very possible and most definitely has been over the last 5-8 years. I'm not saying it's easy, it requires hard work, clever use of resources and taking advantage when an opportunity arises, but it's very much possible.

 

Good positive attitude and sensible post.