Off Topic Political Debate

Finally you may have got something right. Cameron is certainly done for, I expect he will be urged to retire to the back benches after the referendum. Osborne is also tainted by his close association. Of course Boris's chances depend on the outcome of the referendum, although he is very popular with the party faithful. It is now time for a new team to lead the Conservatives, one based on hard work, striving, sensible tax rates which encourage enterprise.

After the difficult time the government has had recently you would expect the opposition to improve its previous dire showing. The country is far far from accepting a left wing government run by the likes of Corbyn and the trotskyite McDonnell.

 

They certainly are toxic. They've been despised in Scotland for a few decades now, but things have recently got so bad for them here that they have had to resort to this for next month's election:-



Too ashamed to be associated with their own party name...

 

Answer my TTIP posts in regards to the NHS

 

The concerns regarding the NHS were from Lord Owen not me.

 

But they're lies so why are you reposting them?

 

You need to reassure Lord Owen, the Unite union, and the Guardian who all see danger for the NHS. They all believe you are wrong.

 

From the EU's website

http://trade.ec.europa.eu/doclib/press/index.cfm?id=1115



Keep on spreading lies Who's 'Project Fear' meant to be again?

 

The EU. rulings on TTIP are that neither TTIP nor any other EU trade agreement require countries to liberalise, dregulate or privatize services at national or local level. This includes:
Public health, state education, public transport, water collection/purification etc. etc. My suspicion is that the present British government would have less stringent controls outside of the EU. There is also nothing contained within TTIP which prevents renationalization of any public services or industries - I suggest that you think twice before presenting such scaremongering rubbish as fact !

 

I worry for a market-forces driven Tory Govt of the present persuasion or the BREXIT grouping post a successful OUT campaign.

I see they would sell off everything, pander to the whims of the big money and leave us culturally and socially adrift. I would fear for our underclasses, the poor, the elderly and the infirm.

I cant see much, if anything, in US or Chinese values that I would aspire too.

 

Superhorns is just like a little Donald Trump, he says what goes through his mind at the time and ignores anything that doesn't suit his agenda/fit in with the truth.

These are the sort of people that want Brexit...

 

I knew McCluskey talked rubbish, you also need to contact the Guardian to advise them of their mistake. This could be a job opportunity for you.

 

I have a job you pathetic little moron, stop bringing that up.

If you take every word the Guardian says as gospel, what have you got to say about this?

http://www.theguardian.com/politics...t-of-serious-crimes-by-eu-citizens-in-britain

 

Us Conservatives are a caring bunch, as IDS proved, we like to look after the 'unfortunates in society'. I agree you cannot believe a word the left wing press print.

 

If you're not going to be serious then don't bother posting on this thread

 

Are your posts meant to be serious? You must try harder with more facts and less insults.

I still need a labourer to dig a few pilot holes for the new garage block.

 

I must say I have heard nothing from any BREXPERTS yet to change my view.....sorry but true

 

I posted some vids a while back but yes, nothing brilliant just not wanting to be ruled over by the EU thanks. Too much beauracracy as Cologne says if you concentrate on your own local community then we need to decentralise, not make it even bigger

 

Dunno how concrete this info is but reading up a random website when googling TTIP and NHS

"Keeping public healthcare public

The EU has said that its draft treaty with Canada would be a model for TTIP. That deal includes a general exemption, or 'carve-out', for services provided "in the exercise of governmental authority". But what this concept covers is a little uncertain, and many international lawyers think it doesn't exempt most public services.

So the Comprehensive Economic and Trade Agreement (CETA) with Canada also states that 'public utilities'—including health services—can be provided by a state monopoly or can be limited to a certain number of private providers.

The most specific way that CETA addresses public healthcare is that it contains a dedicated exemption from both market access and national treatment. It says that EU countries reserve the right to "adopt or maintain" measures excluding foreign companies from "health services which receive public funding or State support in any form and are therefore not considered to be privately funded".

That's intended to allow EU governments to keep their health services public, or nationalise them in future.

It might be tricky, though, to decide exactly what's covered. A company could claim that support services not directly related to patient care—such as the IT system—isn't part of "health services". And the Unite union's legal advice argues that the clause contradicts itself, and wouldn't have the required effect.

The EU has consistently said that it negotiates exemptions like these in all international agreements, and will do so in TTIP. The BBC reported on 26 February that the EU's opening gambit on exemptions contains the same wording as CETA on publicly funded health services, excluding them from 'national treatment'. It also has a 'public utilities' clause.

It remains to be seen whether the text that finally emerges will be in line with this. But it seems unlikely that the negotiations will lead to a deal with implications for a public NHS. In March, EU and US negotiators released ajoint statement saying that "US and EU trade agreements do not prevent governments... from providing or supporting services" in areas including health, and don't force the privatisation of public services.

Assuming suitable exemptions are set out in the final wording of TTIP, then the NHS Confederation's European Office argues that the service would be protected from forced or entrenched privatisation."

but there are various websites alluding to the NHS still being in negotiations with TTIP even though the EU have said it would be excluded. However the EU has been very sneaky on many things like making people revote on the lisbon treaty when it was rejected in Ireland (although i dont know the full ins and outs). Also as wrote above, just because the NHS is under the goverment umbrella, there is an arguments that some of those services provided by NHS could probably be get around by saying its a public service.

 

In what way?

 

If the EU make/pass a law/regulation, the UK has to abide by it if we are part of the EU. True or False?