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What Do Simon Grayson and David Cameron Have in Common?

Discussion in 'Leeds United' started by Clivetime, Jul 20, 2011.

  1. Simon21-LUFC

    Simon21-LUFC Well-Known Member

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    Where are these "lies, contradictions, hypocrisy and twisting of facts"? All I can see is evidence to back up the statement that he has the best win percentage of any of our managers. The fact is also that we've moved forward every season he's been in charge (on a shoestring budget), and as long as that continues to happen I see no reason to question his position.
     
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  2. Clivetime

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    That's not true, though.

    You can keep repeating it as many times as you like, it's never going to be true.
     
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  3. Simon21-LUFC

    Simon21-LUFC Well-Known Member

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    ... But it is true. please find your evidence to back up your point of view. I think you'll find I found a table that backs mine up and so far all you've come up with is "it's not true" "you're kidding yourself" etc etc.
     
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  4. Clivetime

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    You found an out of date table that backs up an irrelevant point.

    I'm not going to keep saying the same things over and over again, even though that's what I get accused of doing.

    If you want evidence, look through my old posts. You'll find plenty.
     
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  5. Josh-LUFC

    Josh-LUFC Well-Known Member

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    Clive did you completely ignore my post!!!!!!!

    Old statistics would be more relevant against macca because that is the same league they were playing in with a similar type of squad and budget and everything so to say using an old table is pointless is wrong. He is still better than macca although he has played an extra year in a jhigher league. have you ever considered that you are the one thats deluded and everyone else in the whole entire world that disagrees with you is right.

    Grayson is a better manager, results are there to prove so. thats all it is. Thats enough evidence to say hes a better manager without going on to say the players he signs, the timely substitutions, the tactis he uses, the tiny fee and wage budget he is building a squad on and everything else. Just quit being a little dick all your life and grow up to the fact that you will never be happy because you need something to complain about and you just so happened to pick simon grayson. Seriously dude, you have no evidence and then when someone gives you evidence you dismiss it because it disproves your point. Everyone disagrees with what there team do from time to time but your just ridiculous, try thinking about something positively for once...if that doesnt work go see a doctor coz you have problems
     
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  6. Clivetime

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    Josh, you're spouting garbage in order to defend the manager who signed the worst player you've ever seen play football at any level.

    And I'm the one who needs to see a doctor?
     
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  7. Simon21-LUFC

    Simon21-LUFC Well-Known Member

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    Yes.

    Every single manager has signed their fair share of **** players.
     
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  8. Clivetime

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    But they don't play them ahead of good ones!
     
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  9. Simon21-LUFC

    Simon21-LUFC Well-Known Member

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    Gary Sprake?
     
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  10. Clivetime

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    What about him?

    And I see you're not denying that Grayson plays poor players ahead of good ones.
     
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  11. FORZA LEEDS

    FORZA LEEDS Well-Known Member

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    Gary Sprake was a Welsh international whose career was
    unfortunately blighted by some high profile howlers which were highlighted even more so because he was playing for one of the best teams in Europe. He wasn't the only goalkeeper in those days to make mistakes,but playing on the biggest stage for Leeds United in every other clubs cup final brought his gaffes to public attention. Revie knew he had a great keeper & so quite rightly continued to pick him.
    Paynter on the other hand is out of his depth & yet Grayson continues to pick him because he's too stubborn to admit he made a mistake in signing him.
    In other words Grayson is playing a poor player instead of finding a better alternative,& his stubborness is detrimental to the team. The longer this situation continues the more points will be thrown away.
     
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  12. OLOF

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    But he didn't continue to pick him, he got shut of him to Birmingham
     
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  13. FORZA LEEDS

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    He picked him for 10 years until 1973 when David Harvey took his place having been his understudy for a couple of seasons.
     
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  14. OLOF

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    Yes, but the Don knew he played him longer than he should have, he wanted to stand by him because he came through with the other young lads of that time, Sprake didn't have the temperament for the big games, and there was plenty of them, we maybe would have won more had we had a more reliable keeper.
     
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