The most sensible post in the thread and focussing on the right issue. The focus on immigration is incredibly distasteful. There but for the grace of whatever god you do or don't believe in. Just a bunch of bigoted old throwbacks screaming "send them back".
Thanks Stan. Immigration is just one issue, and I think that most of the people who vote out, will make the right decision, for the wrong reasons. Saying that, I think that each individual country is best placed to determine how many immigrants it can handle and how many it wants to let in, without a super government dictating to them what it has to do. A lot of countries economies are finally tuned, and the introduction of several hundred thousand people to that economy who, in the short term at least, have no place to live, no employment, don't speak the language and have very different views on culture and lifestyle will upset that balance a great deal, and the countries in question are the ones that need to make the decision on what they feel they can handle. It's just common sense. Like it or not, Europe played a big part in the creation of ISIS, and the reason these people are fleeing the middle east en masse, so do I feel they have a responsibility to do something about this? Yes I do. But for a Super government to arbitrarily dictate to each country what it HAS to do and demand these concessions from the European countries is just wrong, in every way imaginable. But like I said, immigration is only the tip of the iceberg when it comes to my axe to grind with the EU. Its demands on Greece and its debt are ridiculous. And its demands on other European countries and the foreign aid it MUST supply are equally ridiculous. Its my belief that British Tax payers money should be prioritised for British citizens, as long as we have homeless people, unemployment, food banks, inadequate health care and schools etc then why is a single penny of our money leaving this country? If there is a surplus then have at it, help them out. But unless there is a country in need of disaster relief (like Tsunamis and earthquakes and the like) then why is any of our money leaving the UK? It doesn't make sense to me. And back to my first point, and to round this off, the EU is just not democratic. Why did we fight tyranny and fascism in two world wars just to voluntarily hand over control of our country to an outside government? The EUs whole mantra is that we should turn our entire continent in to some generic, samey, super state, where we all have the same currency, culture etc because people will never accept other countries and cultures for their differences and this is the only way to bring us together, and I just simply don't accept that. I can respect and love other cultures for their differences and beliefs (other than radical religious regimes obviously) and I love that the world is so diverse and interesting. The EU, whether it realises it or not, is trying to destroy that.
No ones suggesting throwing anybody back but what is being said here is that we have more than enough immigrants here that offer nothing to the country. If we stay in we are likely to get another 750,000 Turkish who are extremely sympathetic to Isis. Clearly you don't live in Wolverhampton, Bradford, Burnley or Leicester. As Bod stated we have no say with the EU superstate and have laws imposed by unelected self serving twats. The immigration is a real big issue for many people up and down the country who worry what Britain their children / grand children will inherit. Have to feel sorry for people who lost their lives freeing Europe of the Nazi tyranny only to have another imposed on us.
Immigration and the terrorist threat are the main issue for most people.Something needs to be done.Our country is good at doing nothing until its too late.
Its worth remembering that immigrants and the terrorists arent the same people. The Immigrants are the ones running FROM the terrorists. Thats not to say that the introduction of a million immigrants into a our continent wont create new problems or exacerbate existing ones in terms of economics and culture (as we have seen with Munich's 75% increase in sexual assaults since the introduction of several hundred thousand immigrants), but some people don't seem to be able to make the distinction.
I'm aware of that,but immigration and terrorism will always be linked....As things stand my advice too intelligent young people is to leave this country,which is a shame.
I heard someone say that when our nations capital was being bombarded with bombs by our enemies, our men and women fought. Sure the children were evacuated to the south Coast, but all able bodied men who leave Syria for Europe should be welcomed, trained by our army for six months, given arms and assembled into an army and sent back to claim their country back. Only problem with that is which side would they fight for. People are clueless as to whats going on in Syria, its not just ISIS tearing **** up. There are 5 different factions, each with their own Alliances. You have the de facto government, "Assad's Regime" which we are opposed to, they are allied with Russia. Then you have the Rebels, people fighting against Assad's fascist Regime, they are officially called "The Syrian Opposition" who are allied with Turkey, these are the less radical muslims who want democracy but they do not recognise or acknowledge the rights of 10% of the Syrian citizens, which is why you then have: The Rojava or the "Kurds" as they are more commonly known, like the Syrian Opposition they want democracy but they want a United Syria, where everyone lives in harmony. They are allied with us and USA. Then you have Al'Qaeda, or as they now known, "The Al Nusra front", a different rebel force made up of more radical Sunni Islamists who, to put it in laymans terms, wish to overthrow Assad and instigate Sharia Law, turning Syria into what Afghanistan once was, a Muslim radical country. Then you have The Islamic State of Iraq and Syria or "ISIS" as we know them who, again in laymans terms, are batshit crazy, and just want to kill and destroy anything that doesnt 100% agree with their ideology, "no trial, no jury, straight to execution", anyone who isn't part of their ideology is subhuman, and therefore can be killed, raped, maimed, put into slavery. Their entire existence is to subjugate and dominate anything they see as affront to their belief system or straight up wipe out its existence. Now tell me: All these people saying we should do this....or that....tell me.... Just how would you fix this cluster ****?
Undoubtedly some are born here. However, the immigration policy of this country needs to be looked at and tightened. It puts even more pressure on the infrastructure and a lot of them contribute absolutely nothing to the country. Also the fact that Europe have pracically taken us over is something I hate to see. We are a sovereign country and need to be allowed to act as one.
If we put troops on the ground to fight over there for Rojava, that puts us at war with Russia and Turkey, who support Assad and the Syrian Opposition respectively. Which then starts World War 3.
How far away is "too far" to care? It would have been easy to have ignored the Nazis and what turned out to be the holocaust with the excuse that we're an island, it was mainland Europe's problem. Anyway, it is our problem as long as they consider the UK to be the enemy.
because we ****ing created the problem NATO created the fledgling Al'Qaeda in the 80's when Russia invaded Afghanistan, so the CIA trained Bin Laden and his men and supplied them with arms. We then destabilized their power base when we invaded Afghanistan 15 years ago and sent them packing in to Syria. We then created ISIS when we invaded Iraq and ousted IS who then poured into Syria when the Civil War started, renamed themselves ISIS, and took advantage of the chaos to create a new sovereignty.
WE created **** all!..... Its easy to blame the Russians and Americans for everything wrong in the world.
Really? I dont blame America for everything thats wrong with the world, but for the destabilisation of the Middle East, the US and the UK certainly have played a BIG part in why its gotten so ****ed. Thats a FACT!
Thats why our borders should be defended better than they are.We should be thinking about the state of OUR country not the middle east.
Especially when they are to blame. Afghanistan was required. We needed to invade that country, they were harbouring terrorists. Iraq, on the other hand, was a **** up of epic proportions. There was absolutely no need to oust Saddam Hussein (who the US installed as leader of that country I might add ). We were fooled by our own government into participating in a war which had no valid Casus Belli.
