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Discussion in 'Leeds United' started by TC (Lovely Geezer), Mar 22, 2016.

  1. Whitejock

    Whitejock Well-Known Member

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    The SAS have a better interrogation method with these guys. Basically torture followed by a bullet in the head. Gets results.

    Why should the innocent be PC when the terrorists aren't?
     
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  2. Lion of Brisbane

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    I wonder who was the more tired, the Terrorist or the Belgian Bill? After all, had it been in the UK, they would probably have stopped for tea.
     
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  3. TC (Lovely Geezer)

    TC (Lovely Geezer) Well-Known Member

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    The counter-argument is that not all muslims are like this, but the truth is that they are. The faith that determines how Muslims think is violent and full of hate.
     
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  4. Eireleeds1

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    With respect TC, thats is bullshit. You cannot say everyone of any race or religion is the same
     
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  5. TC (Lovely Geezer)

    TC (Lovely Geezer) Well-Known Member

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    The Quran contains at least 109 verses that call Muslims to war with nonbelievers for the sake of Islamic rule. Some are quite graphic, with commands to chop off heads and fingers and kill infidels wherever they may be hiding. Muslims who do not join the fight are called 'hypocrites' and warned that Allah will send them to Hell if they do not join the slaughter.

    Quran (2:191-193) - "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief or unrest] is worse than killing...
    but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone. But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun(the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)" (Translation is from the Noble Quran) The verse prior to this (190) refers to "fighting for the cause of Allah those who fight you" leading some to believe that the entire passage refers to a defensive war in which Muslims are defending their homes and families. The historical context of this passage is not defensive warfare, however, since Muhammad and his Muslims had just relocated to Medina and were not under attack by their Meccan adversaries. In fact, the verses urge offensive warfare, in that Muslims are to drive Meccans out of their own city (which they later did). Verse 190 thus means to fight those who offer resistance to Allah's rule (ie. Muslim conquest). The use of the word "persecution" by some Muslim translators is disingenuous (the actual Arabic words for persecution - "idtihad" - and oppression - a variation of "z-l-m" - do not appear in the verse). The word used instead, "fitna", can mean disbelief, or the disorder that results from unbelief or temptation. This is certainly what is meant in this context since the violence is explicitly commissioned "until religion is for Allah" - ie. unbelievers desist in their unbelief.


    Quran (4:89) - "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks."

    Quran (5:33) - "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement"

    Quran (9:14) - "Fight against them so that Allah will punish them by your hands and disgrace them and give you victory over them and heal the breasts of a believing people." Humiliating and hurting non-believers not only has the blessing of Allah, but it is ordered as a means of carrying out his punishment and even "healing" the hearts of Muslims.

    Quran (9:123) - "O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness."
     
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  6. Chippy / Glory

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    Good job the Koran just like the bible and whatever the yids and Hindus have are all works of fiction then,
     
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    No intentions of reading the Koran, Bible or anything else, but the suggestion that every member of any religion is the same is frankly pathetic and doesnt warrant any further comment
     
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  8. TC (Lovely Geezer)

    TC (Lovely Geezer) Well-Known Member

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    I know that and you know that, but billions of muslims don't <ok>
     
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    How many muslims do you know well enough to call a friend?
     
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  10. Chippy / Glory

    Chippy / Glory Senior Member

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    I am choosey.
    I have as many Muslim friends as I do paddy and cockney ones! :1980_boogie_down:
     
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    TC (Lovely Geezer) Well-Known Member

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    What about Scottish one's <whistle>
     
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  12. Chippy / Glory

    Chippy / Glory Senior Member

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    I have lots of Scottish friends........ Can't think of any I have a problem or vica versa.<laugh>
     
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  13. Lion of Brisbane

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    Donald Trump advocates building a wall to keep the meccans out.
     
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  14. Lion of Brisbane

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    I don't think so, TC.
     
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