Shelvy, has he played his last game?

Given the sh:t line up we put on the pitch against Everton , yes , Laudrup would have beat them IMO .
Laudrups team played ok against Napoli , they would have played better under Laudrup. IMO
And don't be foolish valley , Laudrup got Bony up to speed and ready to go and basically handed An in form Bony over to Monk ....

 

Roof - when we played Cardiff at home, we were only 3 points ahead of them. Not an easy game at that time.

When we played Norwich, we were 2 points behind them in the table

When we beat Villa we were only 1 point ahead of them in the table.

It's easy to hypothesise and claim that Laudrup would have won those 6-pointers.

However, what I do know, and what is fact is that Monk's team actually did win those important games.

I also know that we were absolutely ****e against West Ham. If we had carried on like that, then it could have been us joining Cardiff in getting relegated that season.

The fact is we stayed up under Monk. It is mere conjecture on your part that we'd have done better under Laudrup - indeed, the previous 38 PL games hardly lend weight to your theory. What was it 38 pts from 38 games.......

 

They were utter ****e under ML against teams we'd never heard of. Bony was considering his future in January because ML wasn't picking him.

 

When we played Cardiff Taff , there were 10 teams within a few points of relegation .
When we played the last 4 games , except I think for Villa , the games meant nothing .
Teams that were staying up were staying up , teams that were dropping were dropping I think and Games meant nothing .
Take a look at the Last 10 games ( very good teams ) Laudrup played , the time frame those 10 games were played in and injuries his team had within that time frame .
Then do the same with Monks first 10 games in charge , and you'll see what Laufrup was up against and what Monk wasn't ...simple

 

Roof - as I pointed out earlier, even if we had lost to Villa, Newcastle and Sunderland in "meaningless" matches then with 33 pts and a far superior goal difference to Norwich, we would gave stayed up.

The wins over Cardiff (3 points behind us) and Norwich (2 points above us) were far from meaningless.

Look at Laudrup's last 38 PL games - a far better barometer

 

Bullsh:t

 

That's exactly how I described the performances.

 

Two relegated teams , yippie yo yo ....quite an achievement .
Since Laudrup got axed , I couldn't and still can't get an anyone to face who Laudrup had to play ( quality teams ) within a short period of time , with a ton of injuries , no one accepting or saying something against that fact speaks volumes to thr true behind the statement .
38 games Laudrup played when he got axed and still 17 games to play .

 

Got some proof to your statement valley or are you just talking out your arse

Laudrups last 10 games played against mostly top Premier League clubs with tons of injuries , was over a 52 day period .
Monks first 10 games in charge against not as top teams , with a healthy squad was over a 66 day period

 

Actually Roof - it was quite an achievement. Because of the position that we were in the table, they were 6 pointers, and they were won!

You seem to want to ignore the larger sample of 38 consecutive PL games that yielded only 38 points and want to focus on the last 10 games. I guess that's because it suits your argument.

Well in those 10 games we beat relegated Fulham (our first win in 9 games), lost to Man U in the PL (their first win in 4 games) but beat them in the Cup.

Yes we played Man U (a), Chelsea (h), Spurs (h) & Man City (h)

Whilst Monk faced Liverpool (a), Arsenal (a) as well as bogey team Everton (a)

 

The first leg v Napoli under Monk was arguably our best ever performance at the Liberty. We should have beaten Bapoli, a huge European club, by 3-4 goals that night. We tore them apart.
Like we did v Cardiff in Monks first game in charge (PL) in what was a huge, huge pressure cooker game given that they turned us over with such ease in the previous fixture.
Oh, Bony was not in form under ML. I even posted on here that the Spaniards were not passing the ball to Bony in scoring positions and that they much fathered pass the ball to Michu who was in more difficult positions on the pitch.

 

He's the one who wanted a small squad. There were plenty on here who said when the window shut that we needed another 3-4 players going into that season.

Look, Monk deserves to butchered for what has happened the past 7-8 months (Some would say 2-3 years), and rightly so, especially if the Dyer stuff is correct. But, he also deserves praise for what he did when he took over when we were heading towards relegation, as he not only kept us up, but went on to give us our best season in the PL last season doing the double over Utd and beating Arsenal etc.

 

Up until the Norwich game in mid December , we were doing fine but lost 3 first team players that game and it got worse .
I love the way guys like you and valley love to include the previous seasons last 10 games when they meant nothing ... Laughable really .
I' m sure Laudrup would have loved to play those six pointers and the rest of the Premier League teams and the Cup games with his suddenly healthy team when he was axed , but his easing schedule with a totally healthy team was placed in Monks hands by Huw. Where he got less than a point a game for his first 10 games in charge Of Premier league games . 2 wins in all competitions in 13 or 14 games I think .
We managed to stay up in spite of Jenkin's and Monks bum buddy relationship ....saved us my arse
And we went from selling Allen for 15 million and buying Bony for 11 million and ultimiately making 15 million off him to Huw and Monk wasting million through transfers right up until Momk was axed .

 

Laughable? I think not but let's humour you.

From the first 24 games of 2013/14 we secured 24 pts - hardly fantastic, and yet the same points return per game as the "laughable" 38 pts from 38 games. So adding in the final 14 games from the previous season doesn't actually alter the actual return.

Monk then secured 18 pts from 14 games........

Would I have sacked Laudrup when Jinx did? Quite possibly.

Would I have appointed Monk as temporary Manager for the rest of that season? Highly unlikely

Would I gave given Monk the job on a permanent basis? Nope - at the time I stated that I wanted Koeman.

 

Monk secured 9 of those 14 points in the last 4 games against sh:t teams , some off those sh:t teams making it possible to stay up because 33 points allow teams to stay up . We were lucky .
In the big picture , when Laudrup was sacked , our demise was set in place .
No more Michu's and Chicos to be had , not a manager around to bring players like Davies and Routledge to their best game . No more Bony's to get great play and make 15 million .
Monk had a 55 million a week , Gomis , Bony , a 7 million pound CB .......Huw spoiled My know more than all previous managers put together , and where we made money with guys like Laudrup and Rodgers , we started losing money under Huw and Monks reign , 5 million on Laudrup , 3 million on Monk , 4 million on Naughton , 8.5 million on Eder and Tabanou , we may never know what the Vorm fiasco cost us , we were told we would have information on the Vorn fiasco a month ago , still nothing ....something fishy there .
Deals that were made under Rodgers and Laudrup kept our head above water , deals under Huw and Monk got us swallowing water

 

Roof - it could equally be argued that 6 of Laudrup's 24 points came from playing Fulham (relegated) twice......

Was Bony really a Laudrup purchase? Yes - he was bought under Laudrup's reign, but.......

What is without doubt is that Laudrup's focus drops off after 18 months or so. Look at his Management record.

Cups were his priority (check out his record elsewhere) because he knew he couldn't win the PL with Swansea - and having won the League Cup, is it coincidence that performance levels and results tailed off?

As well as no more Michus & Chicos, I note you didn't mention Canas, Pozuelo, Vasquez etc.

Laudrup was good for us - but he was not perfect.....

As I said earlier, I would not have appointed Monk.

 

Up until we played Norwich , dec , we were on course for 47 points .
Then injuries took over and we played 10 games in all completions the next 40 days against
Everton , Chelsea , Villa , man city , Man U twice , Totenham, Birmingham , Fulham and West Ham, infested with injuries.
Poz was great , at a few hundred thousand , should have mentioned him , compared to millions wasted on the likes of Naughton , Eder and Tabanou . When the Bony deal was going on , the club he came from was phoning Laudrup about details , not Huw .
Do you really think Huw would bitch about a player after he came in ( Bony ) if he brought him in .
How stupid did /does Jenkin's look after bitching about Bony after we made 15 million on him

 

We were also a **** team. Our demise was prevented and Michu and Chico wouldn't have made our team last year. How can you say our demise was set in place given what happened last season? Nobody foresaw it coming after finishing 8th.

 

Because we went from bringing in players cheap and getting good use , and making money off of players .
We haven't made any money from players Jenkin's and Monk brought in , and won't make any money after any player they brought in leaves .
5 million payout for Laudrup , 3 million payout for Monk , 4 million on Naughton (semi waste ) , 5 million for Eder ( total waste ) , 3.5 million for Tabanou (total waste ) , 7 million for Fernandez ( overpaid and won't get 7 million for him ) , 55 thousand a week for Gomis ( semi waste ) . Vorm fiasco , ( we may never know if and how much we lost ) .Thats a far cry from Laudrup and Rodgers gems , and 40 million made off of the sales of Rodgers , Allen , Sinclair and Bony .
If reports were true at the time , we couldn't even afford Monks buyout .

 

How do you work that out?