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Discussion in 'Queens Park Rangers' started by Stroller, Jun 25, 2015.

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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

Poll closed Jun 24, 2016.
  1. Stay in

    56 vote(s)
    47.9%
  2. Get out

    61 vote(s)
    52.1%
  1. East Herts Rangers

    East Herts Rangers Active Member

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    Seen it happen @ junction 27 of the M25, lorry stops on the hard shoulder, back doors open & the interlopers are off like a rat up a drainpipe.
     
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  2. East Herts Rangers

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    Talking of war criminals, see Dave is going to suppress the publication of the Iraq report until post referendum. Usual disgusting leftie tactic.
    http://www.breitbart.com/london/201...versial-announcements-ahead-of-eu-referendum/
     
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  3. Stroller

    Stroller Well-Known Member

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  4. sb_73

    sb_73 Well-Known Member

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    If I debate with the same tone as Goldie (or Chaz for that matter) I am doing something seriously wrong and I apologise unreservedly. I just like an argument. Everything is a grey area for me, there is no black and white, which is of course a curse. The contrarian in me reacts to the strongly stated stuff, which is Goldies' case is turning into an obvious hatred of all things related to Europe. If the balance of posting on here was all happy clappy the EU is the answer to all our problems I would be reacting to that as well. Though of course my gut feel is more internationalist than isolationist.
    I was responding to a question you posed, and I said it wasn't relevant. You asked about our complicity in the holocaust, something I had never thought about before, I spent 3 minutes surfing and was surprised with what I found. But I don't give a **** about who was doing what to who 70 years ago. On your logic we should never talk to Germans, because they are Germans and did terrible things. I don't feel any guilt about Britain's history, neither do I hold present day Latvians or Germans responsible for theirs.

    Some things are the EUs fault Goldie, but not everything is. Seriously, what are you going to do if we vote to stay in? Start a resistance movement?
     
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  5. rangercol

    rangercol Well-Known Member

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    I don't think Goldie should be compared to Chaz tbh.

    I'll probably join Goldie's resistance if we vote to remain!
     
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  6. GoldhawkRoad

    GoldhawkRoad Well-Known Member

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    I won't accept ridiculous criticism by Latvians on human rights, lets leave it at that. It's like being lectured by Koreans on dog welfare.

    Mostly, I have no problems with Europe.
     
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  7. Chaz

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    No, I'm much more level headed...
     
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  8. Stroller

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    I doubt that the EU debate is as feisty in the rest of the nation (apart from the Tory party obviously) as it is on here. The more I read and hear of the wider debate, though, the less I feel informed. Here's my simplistic summary of how I currently feel:

    Trade: Hard to see any upsides for leaving - STAY
    Jobs: Foreign companies would likely relocate - STAY
    Immigration: EU immigrants are not the problem - STAY
    Security: Both sides disgracefully trying to use Brussels to make their case - NEUTRAL
    Sovereignty: I don't feel the heavy hand of Brussels in my everyday life - STAY
    Geopolitics: Trump v Putin? - STAY
    Personalities: Farage, Johnson, IDS - STAY
     
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  9. kiwiqpr

    kiwiqpr Barnsie Mod

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    why would foreign companies leave
    drop corporation taxes and more might come
     
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  10. Stroller

    Stroller Well-Known Member

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    Because it would most likely be more difficult for them them to sell their goods to Europe from a Brexited UK.
     
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  11. kiwiqpr

    kiwiqpr Barnsie Mod

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    they could still have some factories in europe
     
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  12. Stroller

    Stroller Well-Known Member

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    Taking jobs from the UK.
     
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  13. Hoops Eternal

    Hoops Eternal Well-Known Member

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    I work for a German company and it's irrelevant if we are part of the EU or not as far as business is concerned.
     
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  14. kiwiqpr

    kiwiqpr Barnsie Mod

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    no
    do all foreign companies in the uk close down all their worldwide facilities when they get there

    and I assume if foreign companies do move to the uk already they don't just hire foreigners
     
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  15. sb_73

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    Multinationals aren't going to pack up and push off overnight, particularly if they have expensive investments in plant and infrastructure here. But they might think twice about future investments, especially if imports of components becomes more expensive. For financial institutions it's much easier to move around, and without the (ridiculous) 'protection' the City gets because we are in the EU the incentives may be stronger for them to go. Their work forces are multinational anyway.

    For a bit , if the £ continues its downwards spiral, the U.K. becomes less attractive to sell to, unless you can increase prices to compensate which isn't always possible. If it is possible then it means inflation and a worse trade deficit for us.
     
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  16. TootingExcess

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    If there are trading benefits to being outside the EU, why aren't the Italians, Germans and French leaving? What does IDS, Gove and Boris know that the rest of Europe ( and the rest of us for that matter) don't know?
     
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  17. finglasqpr

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    The Yanks know where to make their foreign direct investments (FDI). A country (Ireland) with 1% of the EU population received 58.1 billion dollars, almost 20% of total FDI made by US firms into the EU in 2014. The figure of 58 billion Dollars has increased from less than 5 billion dollars only 13 years ago.The only country in the world who received more US (FDI) was the Netherlands. We have a lot to lose in the event of a Brexit but we also have an awful lot to gain. The gains are happening already. More and more US foreign direct investment is coming here as a result of the exit speculation and the fact that we would become the only English speaking country in both the Eurozone and EU in the event you lads exit. The Yanks want a presence in the EU and preferably in an English speaking country.
     
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  18. finglasqpr

    finglasqpr Well-Known Member

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    I have visions of the pair of you sipping coffee together in Rene's café in allo allo.

    Moaning.
     
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  19. Stroller

    Stroller Well-Known Member

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    There's a bit of a difference between being a tax haven, which Ireland has become and which Britain under the Tories seems to want to become, and being a proper trading nation. What does Ireland export? What does Britain export for that matter? Not a lot.
     
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  20. finglasqpr

    finglasqpr Well-Known Member

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    Machinery and equipment
    Computers
    Chemicals
    Pharmaceuticals - 60% of the entire world's supply of pharmaceuticals are produced in Ireland.
    Food products
    Animal products

    Total exports in 2015 - 111 billion euros. 111 billion euros of exports and 71 billion euros of imports makes us a trading nation. Not a major player but a trading nation none the less. Lower taxes and lots of other factors encourage the FDI to come here.
     
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