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Discussion in 'Liverpool' started by Sucky, Mar 14, 2016.

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should cannabis be legalized/decriminalised

  1. free da erb mon

  2. available for medicinal purposes only

  3. **** off you skag head

  4. decriminalise

  5. i cant remember the question

  6. oooh look brownies!

  7. Grow up and get a job!

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  1. Captainchaos.

    Captainchaos. Well-Known Member

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    No but i have this thing for pussy mate
     
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  2. Sucky

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    you got no pussy before you went to the gym?

    are you not worried these gym pussy's might only be after your big muscle/s?
     
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  3. Captainchaos.

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    We don't stay young forever so im just saying look after yourself and you will get more pussy than smoking pot and using lynx
     
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  4. Sucky

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    Thanks Arnold :)
     
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    See, the skank gets that much to you head that you can't even spell legalise.
     
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  7. Jeremy Hillary Boob

    Jeremy Hillary Boob GC Thread Terminator

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    The War On Drugs:

     
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  10. Sucky

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    Dennis Leary was a legend <laugh>
    Edit; you beat me to Bill Hicks :D

     
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  12. Treble

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    Leary was nowhere near Hicks level tbf
     
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    Leary was the Rolling Stones to Hicks' Beatles. imo.
     
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  14. Sucky

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    Agreed
     
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  15. Treble

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    He was a lesser imitation imo. Mind you, I would probably say that about anyone compared to Hicks.
     
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  17. Sucky

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    Although i no longer smoke Hash, mainly because the product became rubbish, my favourite used to be Afghani Black or "Squidgy black", which has become increasingly harder to get hold of as the market is flooded with Skunk due to demand, also love a bit of "Pollen" or "kief" which these days i usually get from my pollen collecting grinder (ooo yeh).

    Only time i will smoke hash now is if im in the Dam or at home when i can see or smell its the real deal and not some ****ty plastic/petrol tainted soap bar crap.

    Ive tried BHO (butane honey oil) and that **** blows ya head off <laugh>

    Hot knife <laugh>

    the Lung <laugh>

    I find hash a much more functional high (daytime smoke of you will) in other words i can smoke hash and carry on with whatever tasks or work that needs doing and it wont affect my effort or will, Thats why if i have **** to do that requires effrot i wont smoke a weed joint ill go for the hash.

    anyways just read this blog and got me thinking about back in the day when hash was actually quite decent.


    https://massroots.com/blog/what-is-hash

    Hashish (hash) was originally defined in the Northern provinces between Hindu Kush and the Russian border as a tightly packed mass of a marijuana plant’s resin glands. The term hashish originates from the Arabic word for grass. Today, there are several different types of hashish.

    Over the years hash has become an overarching term that many use to umbrella everything related to cannabis. So, what is hash? There is a popular misconception that hash is bud, kief, as well as wax and other alternative forms. Today, hash is lumped in among other synonyms of cannabis, like “grass,” “mary jane,” “herb,” and “nug.” Since it is encompassed amongst other nicknames, hash has lost some of its meaning.

    The History of Hash
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    As early as the 12th century Hashish smoking had begun to rise in popularity in the Middle East. In the late 17th century, Hashish had become a major trade item between Central and South Asia. In the 18th century, Greece, Turkey, Lebanon, and other central and western Asian countries, hashish imports, usage, and importance began to fade because leading officials began to disapprove.

    During the mid 20th century hashish use in Greece and India flourished again, and potent hashish strains from Afghanistan reached Western Europe and California. After years of heavy cannabis cultivation and hashish production in Afghanistan, in 1973 the Afghan government made hashish production and sale illegal. The qualities of hash dropped significantly in Lebanon, and in Morocco, the government begun to eradicate the usage of hash, making it harder to produce without punishment.

    Current Definition of Hash
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    Today, the Middle East remains the leading hash producer in the world, yet it’s easy to make it independently, too. There are numerous processes that can be used to extract the active ingredient (THC) from the cannabis plant in order to make hash. Hashish is made from the gathering of resin glands, called Trichomes, on cannabis plants. Typically these Trichomes are removed from the plant, dried, and then condensed into tightly packed balls or blocks.

    When plants are being trimmed by growers, powdery Trichomes are likely to fall off the plant, and are collected over a silk screen. Another simple way to collect this resin is through the usage of a grinder, which also has a screen for collection. Often called Kief (or Keef), this powdery, active ingredient can be heated and compressed to form hash. Kief itself is not officially a form of hash, unless further processed by heat or dry sifting.

    Hash’s Physical Forms
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    The manner in which the resin-bearing Trichomes are collected also correlates to the name each form of hash is given. For example, bubble hash received its name because it is made using silkscreen bags and ice water to separate the Trichomes from the rest of the plant. The Trichomes simply are washed from the plant using water, leaving this form of hash with a gummy, bubble-like appearance. Made easily by filtering the product through screens, bubble hash is one of the safest and cleanest forms of hash.

    Scissor or finger hash is another method of extraction that is harmless and clean. When collected, the Trichomes that are rubbed onto grower’s hands or scissors form a dark, sticky, and wet resin. Obtained through a more complex practice, called butane hash oil extraction, shatter and wax are hash in oil form. As cannabis extracts, shatter and wax are oils that concentrate THC and CBD. These oil-condensed forms are technically a type of hash, since they, too, are the product of obtaining the active and most potent elements of a cannabis plant.

    Today, there are many forms hash can take, and while the process of creating hashish has evolved significantly, the desired active ingredient has remained the same. These oils and hash itself are both made to contain high amounts of active marijuana ingredient, yet there is a difference in appearance and how they’re extracted. Although commonly encompassed as another nickname for cannabis, hash is very rich in history, and should be distinguished from more recent forms.
     
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  18. Treble

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    Best hash I smoked was Temple Ball but that was in Dam. I have to say I'm generally not a fan and prefer weed.
     
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    An issue often reported in the news is children accidentally eating their parents edibles, but how commonplace is this risk compared to other common risks to children?

    Last June, a study completed by Nationwide Children’s Hospital was published in the journal of Clinical Pediatrics. The study found that “the rate of marijuana exposure among children 5 years of age and younger rose 147.5 percent from 2006 through 2013 across the United States.”

    The researchers observed different trends on this increase in states that legalized before 2000, and those that legalized after 2000. In the states that legalized pre-2000 (Alaska, California, Maine, Oregon, Washington) they saw nearly a 610 percent increase in the rate of children’s exposure to cannabis, and for the states that legalized after 2000, the researchers saw the rate of exposure increase almost 256 percent.

    The biggest spike in exposure rates happened in the year that cannabis was legalized, indicating that many of these accidental exposures were likely caused by adults who were naïve cannabis users and unaware of proper storage techniques. Even non-legal states saw an increase of 63 percent, which could indicate some degree of illegal diversion from nearby legal states, but would need further study to substantiate. At first blush, the most startling finding seemed to be that “more than 75 percent of the children who were exposed were younger than 3 years of age.” Not surprisingly, “most children were exposed when they swallowed marijuana,” meaning parents need to properly stash their edibles in locked places away from the curious hands and mouths of young children.

    Before giving into Reefer Madness, let’s stop and analyze their data. This study was designed to specifically look at marijuana exposures among children under 6, yet nearly 90 percent of their population was 3-years-old or younger. Had their sample been less skewed towards younger ages and more representative of the 3-6 bracket they had set out to study, there may have been radically different findings.

    The researchers obtained their data by retrospectively analyzing the National Poison Data System (NPDS), “a comprehensive toxic exposure surveillance database with extensive quality control measures to ensure data completeness and accuracy.” The study’s authors considered any intentional exposure a miscoded case and omitted them, meaning if the child was a medical cannabis patient and Poison Control received a call, they would not be considered in this study, as this study was meant to examine only accidental exposures. While the focus of the study was on unintentional exposures, the researchers found that 2.4 percent of hospitalizations were for adverse reactions or other reasons, and another 5.4 percent had unknown causes. They observed few adverse side effects, with only 18 percent of exposed children needing hospitalization, 4 percent of those hospitalized had comas and 3 percent had seizures. The researchers did not have information regarding pre-existing conditions, such as epilepsy, which could explain both the seizures and cannabis exposure.

    Follow Up with Nationwide Children’s Hospital

    I covered this study when it came out last year and followed up with Henry Spiller MS, D.ABAT, and the research team, to ask some more in depth questions about the study, perceived flaws in their methodology and potential sources of bias. I asked Mr. Spiller about Nationwide Children’s sources of funding for their study and if funding from the Federal Government could fuel the Reefer Madness-like findings.

    “The Feds do not fund us, we barely get any funding at all,” he said. “They do not tie our hands on reporting.”

    After talking to Mr. Spiller, I was able to follow up with members of the research team via the PR representative for Nationwide Children’s Hospital; I never received confirmation as to which specific researchers replied to my questions. I asked the researchers about how the National Poison Data System (NPDS) might view a child who is a state-legal pediatric medical cannabis patient hospitalized for an intense seizure that their prescribed medical cannabis cannot control, trying to feel out if many of these cases may have been miscategorized due to the federal government’s view that cannabis is not a medicine. The researchers quickly dispelled this theory and said, “These were calls to poison control centers – people reporting poisonings, or asking what to do in the case of an ingestion. If a child was hospitalized, and was being treated with cannabis oil extract, that would not be called into a poison control center. Someone who is purposely receiving it for medical reasons would not show up in this database.”

    Not as Dangerous as Other Things

    The Nationwide Children’s study only looked at the rate of accidental ingestion of cannabis, the researchers stopped short of comparing that rate to the poisoning rates of other commonly found household items, like bleach, diaper cream, alcohol or other drugs. Since the federal government views cannabis as a drug, the best figure to compare to is the accidental ingestion of other drugs.

    According to the Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration, in 2008, “68.9 percent of 100,340 emergency department visits for accidental ingestion of drugs… were made by kids 5 or younger.” In just one year, there were nearly 70,000 ER visits made by children under 5 due to the accidental ingestion of drugs; the Nationwide Children’s study found only 2,000 cases of accidental cannabis ingestion in 13 years. In that same time span, from 2000-2013, there would have been an estimated 750,000 children admitted to emergency rooms for other drugs, if we include children who accidentally ingested drugs but didn’t go to the ER this number jumps to an incalculably larger number. Even at 750,000 children, that is an exposure rate 375 times higher than what was found with cannabis.

    What Should Be Done

    The best way to protect children from accidentally eating cannabis is by preventing access, the same way parents keep pills away from young children. That is easier said than done, such as when an 8-year-old boy in Oregon found a cookie on the ground, was specifically told not to eat it, but did so anyway, then got sick and went to the hospital. A better move may have been to take it away from the child, rather than merely providing instructions about not eating food you find on the ground in rock quarries. The child who ate THC-infused candy off a table in their own home is less guilty of bad behavior; that was the father’s negligence. When I was growing up, if candy was left on a table, chances were it was for me. My parents, who grew cannabis plants in our backyard when I was in elementary school, never left joints, edibles or anything medicated within my reach.

    Outside of good parenting practices, clear state guidelines on edible dosing and child proof packaging are helpful. The research team found that, “increased efforts to establish child-focused safety requirements regarding packaging of commercially sold marijuana products are needed to help prevent more children from being exposed to this Schedule I substance.”

    Last year, after the Nationwide Children Hospital study was released, Colorado moved to establish 10mg of THC as the standard dose for THC-rich edibles, joining Washington which already had 10mg as the standard dose. Whole packages are limited to 100mg totals in both states, meaning edibles can never go above 10 doses; Colorado and Washington both require child-proof packaging as well. Oregon is taking a more cautious approach and cutting those limits in half for 5mg doses and 50mg total. California’s recently passed the Medical Marijuana Regulation and Safety Act (MMRSA) that contains language dictating that the Department of Public Health will be drafting standards to govern the packaging of edibles, including figuring out what a dose will be. Currently, consumers in California may see products on the shelves right next to each other with radically different definitions on what a dose is, such as Kiva‘s blueberries, which are titrated to 5mg of THC per blueberry bite, and Korova products, where are each dosed at 50mg of THC.

    Dr. Rob Hendrickson, the associate medical director for Oregon Poison Control, is “embarking on a study to calculate safe amounts of THC per kilogram of a child’s body weight.” Similar calculations are available online for parents who are dosing CBD to pediatric epileptic patients, and while these are useful guidelines, they are just that, a guide and not a hard-and-fast rule to follow. Using body weight alone overlooks many relevant factors, such as personal metabolism (which can vary widely), allergies, potential drug-to-drug interactions, genetic differences, pre-existing medical conditions and much more.
     
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    So what I bothered to read here is bad parents who leave **** about will have to bring kids to hospital.

    So making weed illegal forces them to tidy up and hide their ****

    Same as yanks who get shot by toddlers

    ****ers leave guns out on coffee tables
     
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