I'll be voting in. I'm not going on a big rant to justify it. I just think the EU has been a convenient scapegoat for a lot of people for a long time, but that in fact we're better off for being in it than out of it.
Rather than a rant why do you think we are better off being in and why do you think the EU has been a scapegoat?
You must ask yourself how countries like Australia and New Zealand survive without being part of any alliance that dictates policy and in fact laws , and they do seem to get by
There's no question that the UK could survive outside the EU. The questions seem to be: a. would we be richer or poorer; b. if we would be poorer, are there other advantages that outweigh the loss of growth, jobs, etc. As to the first, no one has been able to come up with a really very convincing argument that we would suddenly be more competitive in the world market. As a general rule, uncertainty (which an exit would cause bucket loads of) is bad for economies. There would almost certainly be short term negative effects. There is no way of knowing whether there would be any later positive effects to offset against the short term losses. As to the second, it all seems to come down to: "We don't want to be ruled by Germany. We won the war damn it." Maybe that's a bit unfair but the supposed advantages are all along the line of the Braveheart nonsense that the Scots spouted in the run up to their referendum. Nothing that, in my view, warrants any percentage points being put on the level of unemployment for any period
I will be Voting to Exit the EU Honestly don't care about trade agreements, we are one of the biggest purchasers of foreign items whether it be spanish oranges, german cars or whatever, most countries would not be able to cope without the business we provide them and therefore on that basis we have a level of power which we can use to negotiate fair trade deals. We are the fith biggest economy and we have a lot of leverage. yes, there will be a period of uncertainty, yes we may not be better off in the short term, however I believe its for the best long term. We should be acting now for the next generation, not screwing it up even more! I've been screwed because of the decisions made by people before my time and its not fair, I'd rather stomach a bit of pain to make it a better country for my daughter. House Prices, infrastructure hasnt grown with growing population which a previus post pointed out to. However we are in £1.5trillion debt, so should we be looking at taking more people into the country, No. Average House prices have been announced at £300,000.00 this morning, which will only continue to increase as we cant build quickly enough. Money needs to be spent to increase the standard of infrastructure, yet we need to save money. its a difficult situation, but something needs to change, handing over £55m a day to the EU does not make sense. I would also stop foreign aid, most of that money doesnt go to the people that need it. Dont we pay something like £10b a year on foreign aid? all this chash despite being in crippling debt. I dont look at my bank account and this oh im £1000.00 overdrawn, Ill just make a quick 50 payment to Oxfam. Lets get our own house in order before paying billions to senior officials in african countries! Corperate Tax really needs looking at, we cant allow companies to continue to redicule our tax systems and make billions whilst paying no tax. the whole systems broken and really needs to be wipped clean with a fresh start!
November 2015 there were estimated to be some 3.2 million foreign nationals working in the UK, of this a little over 2 million were from other EU countries, so if we leave how many of these jobs would become vacant even with some economic contraction, just another thought the Commonwealth spans some 53 countries world wide and has a population of 2.2 billion, I wonder would we be better building stronger links with the Commonwealth rather than the EU.
I never believe any number or statistic thrown out about foreign nationals in the country and the numbers are never correct, whether it be EU foreign nationals or Non-EU. Living in Essex and working in London it is clear the numbers are not correct. Plus I'd question what a foreign national is? So if someone has lived in the country 5 years and then proceeded to have two children here, but none of them speak English, does that make the two children foreign nationals? Probably doesn’t help that I live with two mosques within 100 yards of my home. Im all for a certain level of multi-culturism, but I fail to see how a points system hasn’t been adopted yet to allow people in who are willing to work and have the capacity to contribute. I was in Birmingham for a work footy thing and forgot my shinny's so there was a SD round the corner. I hate shopping naturally being a man, but the shop was full of burka's and I struggled to navigate round the shop at all, there was no awareness, no manners, people just stand in the way or have their 4 kids blocking the aisle, you try and move around them and they don’t get out the way. It's just rude. I then get looked at like dirt for trying to navigate around a shop. I find there is a general un-willingness to integrate into this country, they want to take the benefits and live here, yet hate everything about this country.
Brum has been headed that way for years. I despise the Burkha - only white, ginger converts repulse me more.
It appears that I won't be able to vote as we wont have landed in a cottage someplace in time to register to vote. The trouble with the EU question is that the OUT side haven't told us which sort of model we're going to follow which is a big worry from that side of things. I feel that we should be in the EU but it's not doing us any great favours. If the EU is as good for trade as they have assured then how come we have so many unemployed (and I am including those excluded from the unemployment register due to ill health) and so many food banks? The problem, as far as I am concerned, isn't the EU but the politicians that we breed in this country and are there only to serve themselves. If we have politicians who were there at Westminster, Caerdydd, Stormont or wherever who were looking after the interests of the people then it wouldn't matter if we were in or out as either way would be an improvement over what we have now. I've lived in Belgium and I have seen politics being so utterly useless that the whole country is handtied and then I have lived in Norway for many years and I have seen what happens when one has a set of politicians who do seem to try to do the right thing. Here we have just a load of pocket stuffing wideboys who are only in it for themselves and until we start having a wall built to line the buggers up against things won't change and it won't matter if we're in or out. So, the OUT people: tell me which model we're going to follow. So, the IN people: tell me why things aren't working now. Yours the grumpy git drinking a Belgian Donkel brewed in North Wales on the shores of Llyn Tegin. Cheers!
The vast majority of people wearing burkas would not have migrated from the EU. And voting 'out' won't see the back of them.
As we have had a parliamentary democracy for a few hundred years or so I would presume that the current structure that exists will continue, the differential will be that Brussels will no longer have any say in the future determination of the running of this country, we will once again become a sovereign nation, a bit Like Australia, New Zealand, Canada, India, Pakistan etc. A vote to remain in will in time lead to the dismantling of our parliamentary democracy, we will become a state within the Federal EU with elected representatives to the Federal Parliament in Brussels who will determine our future based on the needs of the wider European community. Major public bodies like the NHS will cease to exist as funding and services will be homogenised across the EU with resources shifted to the weaker economies to ensure that all citizens have an equable standard of living and access to funded services, for the richer nations this will mean a dilution of living standards and material wealth. At the same time the EU bureaucracy being institutionally socialist in its view will not only not put in place action to halt migration from the middle east and sub-Saharan Africa but will encourage it, the Blair plan, they will do this do dilute the sitting European peoples and alter the demographics to ensure future political control, Human Rights will be the watch word with any dissension being treated as Racism. It's fiction but consider this, the sub-Saharan population at the time of Live Aid was just under 550 million, in 2015 it was just under 1.2 billion, the population despite all the famines, wars, genocides etc has doubled in 30 years, thanks to much better access to media through the internet over the last 10 years people in Africa and the Middle East are far more aware of the luxury that we have in Europe and more of them are prepared to come and get it rather than face the hard work it takes to develop their own countries. We are at the pinnacle of living standards in the world, Germany, UK, France, Holland, Austria and so on, our ordinary lives are the dreams of people in most of the rest of the world and an awful lot want a share of it, the problem is we can't share, we can't keep adding 10, 20, 30 million without destroying it all.
