Off Topic Political Debate

Indeed, I don't know how anyone can look at those measures and not realise the EU cannot afford any more big hits to its economy.

 

Your rationale only works for you if you want to leave......
It is not a rationale to leave.....

In any case i would rather be a member of the biggest trading group in the world that be outside of it.

 

Bernard Cazeneuve 4th March.

He said 'Because if we open the borders tomorrow, what will happen? The British control their own borders and can block the arrival of migrants into Britain. They would then be sent back to France...which would worsen the humanitarian crisis"

Your quote came from Emmanuel Macron, an outspoken economy minister who sometimes irritates cabinet colleagues by speaking on matters outside his brief.


You really do need to research your facts better.

 

Why would you? Do you think the EU negotiates more efficiently than individual nations? Norway having signed more trade deals than the EU would suggest otherwise. If we are able to get a good deal in place with the EU for our exit, and we currently have the best leverage we are likely to get, what is it you think we then lose out on? Then we would far quicker than the beurocratic EU get deals in place with countries around the world. You only have to look as far as the failure of the EU to do a deal with India after almost ten years of negotiations to see how incompetent they are.

 

You make the point im trying to put over "the french (and a lot of others) only obey rules that benefit them .But then you say they will be fair with us . When they block the ports there police turn a bind eye .If we try to do anything near that we get banged up .You watch if we vote to come out UKIP will be saying they are the only party that can deal with the trade war and get friendly with Donald Trump .

 

I have no interest in us leaving and apart from immigration and bureaucracy find the arguments for leaving all based on what might be

 

[QUOTE="afcftw, post: 9018814, member: 1012934"]Why would you? Do you think the EU negotiates more efficiently than individual nations? Norway having signed more trade deals than the EU would suggest otherwise. If we are able to get a good deal in place with the EU for our exit, and we currently have the best leverage we are likely to get, what is it you think we then lose out on? Then we would far quicker than the beurocratic EU get deals in place with countries around the world. You only have to look as far as the failure of the EU to do a deal with India after almost ten years of negotiations to see how incompetent they are.[/QUOTE]

Off course it does! 23 nations have 23 times the bargaining power of 1.

 

Off course it does! 23 nations have 23 times the bargaining power of 1.[/QUOTE]

Nonsense, 23 nations means the deal has to be in the interests of 23 different and diverse economies which is why it takes so long for anything to happen within the EU. Norway has more deals in place than the EU and it is only a fraction of our economy which is the 5th/6th largest in the world. The idea that the EU is more efficient at negotiating than we would be on our own is total rubbish.

 

It is in the europeans interest to keep trade flowing, they sell more to us than the other way round.

 

Wrong again, but as you cannot do any proper research of your own, and seem to be in denial of facts, I will let you enjoy your own company again.

 

Sweden is threatening to take Germany to the European Court of Justice because it is refusing to obey the Schengen rules by not sending migrants back to where they were registered. They arrive in Germany then slip into Scandinavia.

It is all falling apart.

 

I am 100% correct. You must be so embarrassed.

Try again tomorrow but do some more homework.

 

If the UK leaves there are also likely to be at least a couple more referendums on membership from other European countries, particularly Denmark who are watching our situation with keen interest.

 

Norway is a member of the European Economic Area, has access to the single market and follows EU legislation in areas such as the free movement of goods, services, people and money.
It is not bound by EU laws governing things like agriculture and fisheries or monetary union, but it does have to make a financial contribution to the EU budget.

It does not get to vote on EU policies.

Clearly this model is not acceptable to some.

 

This is all about power who has it and who wants it ? And as you say they will not obey the rules when money is involved

 

This model wouldn't be acceptable to me either and I want us to pull out. We have far superior negotiating power than that. Norway is however a great example of how an individual nation can far more easily negotiate its own trade deals outside the EU.

 

Nonsense, 23 nations means the deal has to be in the interests of 23 different and diverse economies which is why it takes so long for anything to happen within the EU. Norway has more deals in place than the EU and it is only a fraction of our economy which is the 5th/6th largest in the world. The idea that the EU is more efficient at negotiating than we would be on our own is total rubbish.[/QUOTE]

More deals with more countries meaning more lawyers tied up in endless bloody negotiations that could be dealt with as a bloc.

It's not acceptable to anyone, least of all Norway, who are clearly getting the worst of both worlds.

 

More deals with more countries meaning more lawyers tied up in endless bloody negotiations that


It's not acceptable to anyone, least of all Norway, who are clearly getting the worst of both worlds.[/QUOTE]

More deals with more countries so more lawyers? What kind of rubbish argument is that? The facts are that its far easier for an individual country to be happy with a deal than it is to get 23 countries on board. If the EU wants to do the same deals it has to deal with all those countries and lawyers too except it has to get all its members to agree to the deal as well.

 

More deals with more countries so more lawyers? What kind of rubbish argument is that? The facts are that its far easier for an individual country to be happy with a deal than it is to get 23 countries on board. If the EU wants to do the same deals it has to deal with all those countries and lawyers too except it has to get all its members to agree to the deal as well.[/QUOTE]

Those are not facts. Those are the ravings of someone who clearly has no experience or understanding of international trade.

 

Those are not facts. Those are the ravings of someone who clearly has no experience or understanding of international trade.[/QUOTE]



You put forward the most ridiculous argument I've seen on the subject and then respond by saying I clearly don't have a clue?