Off Topic SUNDERLAND SACK JOHNSON

They should take away his goals that he's score so far imo.

Actually scrap that, just take away the goal he scored against us

 

Has David Cameron added his two pennies' worth yet? What about the FA? Surely the club is in disrepute IF (big if) their CEO did know all the facts outlined in the tabloids.

 

See... That's why you're fat... All the milk and sugar.

 

All for the innocent until proven guilty so tricky situation. As you say, they sack him and he's innocent then what?

But if they knew that info then you'd think they'd suspend him pending the outcome... And then sack him afterwards.

 

I think anyone facing a court case in any job would be lucky not to get suspended.

As a footballer to not be suspended while a court case occurs for assualt for for these charges are well.... amazing.

But then.....

sterling... bought off ex.. assault
gerrard...


Did we suspend any?


I think overall suderland should have but probably our lot should have too in hindsight.

What about joey barton antics or rooneys?

It seems to me we need to have some form of line drawn for these guys or eventually they will get away with anything

 

The evidence against him was the subject of a court case, at that juncture to terminate his contract would have been wrong and potentially prejudicial to the case itself.

Giving a fan a shirt on club property wouldn't be deemed gross misconduct either imo.

Lifting the suspension ultimately did suit them, but innocent until proven guilty is how we work, and at that point he was pleading not guilty.

Had he have been pleading guilty to the 2 charges at that point I'd have agreed with you - as so do Sunderland (as per their statement) but their decision to allow the justice system to take it's course wasn't fundamentally wrong in my book. I'd have done the same.

 

Fair points to what both you and MITO say, but...

My ex (a nurse) nearly lost her job after a family barbeque ended up in a drunken brawl and she punched her mother-in-law (wish I'd been there - my daughter described it to me and it sounded like chucking out time at the Bow and Arrow on a Friday night). She waited three months for the Chief Constable of North Yorkshire to say that there'd be no charges (they did charge her father-in;law with criminal damage), and in all that time it was made clear to her that if she was CHARGED - never mind found guilty - that she would be dismissed for gross misconduct.

Also, I have known several railway staff over the years who have been dismissed for being charged with offences of violence if they were working with the public, regardless of whether they were found guilty or not, or moved from their jobs handling money if they were even under investigation, never mind charged, for financial or accounting irregularities. In fact, in one case that made the local papers over here a decade ago, I remember one conductor being dismissed for being charged with 'assaulting' his stepson (he slapped him when he was shoving his mother) even though the case was laughed out of magistrate's court.

Funnily enough though, I can only think of the case of a copper in Yorkshire here a few years back (forget his name) who was charged with assaulting his ex-wife but was still allowed to work in - the police domestic abuse department - as being anything like the example of the Sunderland thing IF IT'S TRUE (STILL BEING DISPUTED) THAT THEY KNEW HE WASN'T DISPUTING THE EVIDENCE THAT HE'D HAD SEXUAL ACTIVITY WITH A CHILD.

That's the point though, isn't it? If it's being said that a firm can only dismiss when a court has found someone guilty you could be waiting years to take action against someone who, say, was still working with children. As said, most of us have gross misconduct clauses in our contracts now, and even if you're saying the final dismissal shout await the verdict of the criminal justice system, then they should have at least have suspended him on full pay.

I hope they sue him for that year's pay IF they are right that he assured them he was pleading not guilty on all charges. I hope the girl ( no Piippi Longstocking, but still the real victim in all this) sues the ****er too for the cost of relocated her life and family after the trolls and neighbours have basically ****ed her over again for the crime of being a silly, teenage girl that Sunderland, or any team inho, have a duty to protect from their arrogant, overpaid, pigshit-thick employees if they're going to forgive them simply because they can kick a football.

 

See he has suffered the ultimate punishment...he is being removed from FIFA 16 at the next online update. Slightly ironic that it is FIFA 16, when the age of consent is 16. The clue was on the box all along Adam!

 

The variation on the age of consent globally is appalling.


http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/what-age-consent-around-world-2802173

ffs, some so called first world countries laws need changing to raise the age of consent asap.

 

Doesn't suit their culture though does it sadly as usually in those types of countries its the man in charge and he can have as many wives as he likes. Usually from 12 onwards I think.

I know its silly. It should be same age every where, but for arguments sake how much trouble would you get in if you went to america and was 18 say and shagged a 16-17 yr old? To us age consent is 16 but I think there its 18. Would they take where you are from into consideration or say tough ****e should have known what our laws were.

Seems silly that they would see you as a **** of some sort yet here that age is OK.

 

Whereas I personally think 16 is a reasonable age and wouldn't want it lowered that is in part a cultural question and there is no correct answer to age.

If we're going based on age where humans reach full adulthood: 25 is the age at which humans completely stop growing and when cell death begins to excede cell creation in the body.

I think 25 is obviously too old. . Ages that are pre-puberty are obviously too young. There is an increase in medical conditions the earlier a girl first has sex including infertility.


Really it all comes down to when can a person make an informed consensual decision understanding the pros and cons...


I know plenty of 21 year olds who can't. ... So to balance it has to be based on a reasonable consent. When are they reasonable capable?

There is no biological answer for that. That is purely an emotional and cultural question. So no surprise some countries are higher or lower.

14 seems a common age that the exes I dated lost their virginity. I think that's a little young but it didn't seem to have harmed them. Although I think with them it was with kids of the same age. Had a 28 year old taken their virginity they might have had some trauma.

 

Nah, a child is a child no matter what country or culture they are born into, those countries with the lowest age of consent are still living in the stoneage.

 

Yep..I'd have real sympathy if he had met her in a club and she'd pretended she was 18.

But she was very open about being 15...and strangely she didn't think she had a chance of going out because of her age during their text exchanges...suggests she looks younger in the flesh so to speak...why would she not think she could get into clubs if she looked like that image.

On that point G...is it legal to post an image of someone whos identity is protected legally? Suppose her name is not on the image.

 

She isn't 15 anymore. The incident with Johnson happened in January 2015

Point taken though, image removed.

 

Wasnt being smart arse just didn't know the law..although I've just read a report this morning that a s*n editor or reporter has been charged for publishing a pixelated picture of her in the paper so you're probably right to take it off just in case.

 

Better to be safe than sorry

 

But just to make things worse for the Johnson family name his Sister launched a "Justice for Johnson" campaign..

On International Women's Day.

Suppose since she wasn't technically a woman yet she doesn't count eh?

http://www.theguardian.com/technolo...m-johnson-sister-justice-for-johnson-facebook

 

That's as cringe as it gets that is

 

Must have been getting tips on how to be female **** of the year from Chad Evans sister.

How women can debase themselves like this for a sorry excuse of a man...relative or not astounds me.

 

Yeah. I always thought it was a cringeworthy day.