I can see it from the footage, yes. The linesman who has a much clearer view than either of us also saw it. So I'm not sure why you're still going on about it.
Apparently you have X-ray eyes...it is not clear there was contact on the footage I posted. In real time, the linesman is how many yards away - 24 ? In his mind he may have been sure there was contact ( the cracking of skin on leather perhaps ?), but in reality ? It was a call that could have gone either way. That's what I'm going on about. A judgement call that many dispute was an error. You are not convincing me otherwise. edit: 24 yards ish
What is your point, other than to say it was a definite penalty (seems to be because the officials called it that way) and question someone's observation about the relevance of the ball being lost ?
You asked if I saw contact. I did. You contended that you essentially had a better view than the linesman. You didn't. You then contended that some people don't think it was a penalty. I contend that some thought it was. Really not sure what more there is to say.
'Contact' is not in itself a foul. It's a contact sport. It's why I posted this earlier. http://www.not606.com/threads/benteke-dive-or-definite-penalty.324769/page-3#post-9000379 Delaney does what he can to keep out of the way,
He was a couple of yards, at most, away from the goal line. If he was running at full pace he'd have ended in the crowd if Delaney hadn't of touched his foot. A touch that soft anywhere else on the pitch would have been laughed at if the player had fallen over with the referee telling him to get up. Would you like to see our defenders falling over like that in our penalty box at the slightest touch?
Given recent press announcements about the future of video replays being used in football, I think this incident alone demonstrates how it could become rather farcical if not implemented in the right way. Even after repeated showings of the clip, pundits and fans alike are still split as to whether it would be a penalty or not. The key to the success of video replays will be making sure the referee will have to make his questioning very very specific, e.g. saying is there any clear evidence around why I can't award the penalty, rather than asking, was that a penalty.
Misread. Not sure in what situation our defender would be sprinting to the by line and the striker tackling them in that manner, but we would get a free kick for it.
You don't have to be sprinting to the by-line. Running anywhere in the box would do. We'd only get a free kick if the referee thought it was a foul.
ive always taken the piss out of rugby because they can all watch a replay 6 times and argue over whats happened, and I like to wind my rugby chums up saying can you even call it a sport when nobody can decide on the rules. now it seems football is going the same way, offsides, penalties, there doesn't seem to be any actual rules anymore, too many things are down to opinion. which is fine when you are down the pub with your mates, but when different ex referees are argueing over it after 20 replays, there is a problem.
It'll never change...who'd ever want to be a referee, particularly when there's so much (money) at stake in the modern game. Brings to mind two apocryphal football stories: 1) Player to referee: "You got that wrong ref, it was no bloody foul !" Ref to player: " If I made as many mistakes as you lad, I would never be picked to play." 2) George Best: "Ref, can you send me off for something I'm thinking ?". Ref: " Of course not George. Why do you ask ?" George: "Well ref, I was thinking you're a right **** !".
When has football ever not been like that? It seems a very strange thing to wind your rugby following mates over considering football has always been just as bad if not worse for it.
offside used to be offside now theres 2nd, 3rd, 4th phase bollocks...., you used to have to actually impede somebody for it to be a penalty., now its all opinion whether the breath on there neck had enough force to upset them, . mistakes used to be made when things happened at lightning speed for the referee, but now pundits, ex players , refs are watching 10 replays and still not agreeing if something is offside or a penalty ...people in the game aren't even clear on the rules anymore.
Or he appears to. Just as forwards are going down in the box when there is minimal contact, could it be that defenders are now appearing to pull out of challenges while knowing perfectly well what they are doing in terms of committing a foul? With both attackers and defenders trying to pull the wool over the eyes of the officials is it any wonder we get debatable decisions? Who'd be a referee?
