We are not professional sport people. Most athletes are never going to win medals or major tournaments, nor are they going to get well rewarded through advertising. Imagine you are a player ranked 150 in the world. You have an injury. This injury will heal quicker by taking "medication" so you get paid for appearing at the next tournament. The alternative is maybe taking months for the injury to heal so what is the alternative if you rely on tournaments for your cash. What would you do??
Figure 20: Mean full-time weekly paid hours of work (including overtime), UK, April 1997 to 2015 please log in to view this image Source: Annual Survey of Hours and Earnings (ASHE) - Office for National Statistics From http://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentand...rveyofhoursandearnings/2015provisionalresults Vin
Yep so above 40hrs a week. Average is now 43.6 hours and rising according to TUC. It may not be 12 hours a day just yet, but even people working that long has gone up. Doctors etc are calling on the Government to do something about it, as it has massive health risks.
Your points Yep so above 40hrs a week. Only if you disregard women - are you suggesting women aren't part of the workforce? Average is now 43.6 hours and rising according to TUC. Well, it's just over 39 hours according to the ONS (have a look at the ONS methodology section of that report for proof of how careful they were - have the TUC stated their methodology?) It may not be 12 hours a day just yet Tom's point exactly, and it's decreasing, not increasing but even people working that long has gone up. Doctors etc are calling on the Government to do something about it, as it has massive health risks. Not really too relevant to the claim that "The average joe [is] working 12hrs a day, every day for the whole week" which all the above proves to be not just wrong but way off the mark. Vin
No, directly under the graph of the ONS numbers you said "Yep so above 40hrs a week." When you're in a hole, stop digging. Vin
You look into things far far too much. I am a average Joe so are many people. I work far more then 8hrs a day, as do many people I know.
Or I simply misread the graph at first? Seriously why do you always turn everything into a crazy debate?
Lucky for you then. I work 10-12 hours a day. As does my brother. He works at a Tesco's and alot of his hours are not even counted as over time. It's crazy. It's a simple fact average people work far more then sports people. Which is what I was getting at in the first place.
Why did you post fiction masquerading as fact? Then try to defend it? And then turn it ad hominem because you were caught out? Vin
Let me just look up what hominem means. So you say TUC are making things up? Edit: Now I have looked it up myself. Yes I was wrong with the average hours per week. But I was (at first) just stating normal every day people work far more then celebs and sports people do. Plus a lot of average joes do work a lot more then 37hrs a week. What I don't like is the way you come across when stating a fact or your opinion. It's like you take pleasure in belittling people. Anyways I will leave it here and say I was wrong with the average working hours. But right that the average joe works more.
I'll have my final word. My thought process was to ignore your first comment as it looked throwaway. Then you repeated it as fact and I thought "Blimey, that's shocking if it's true." So I looked it up. I regularly post about "More or Less", the BBC's fact-checking programme so it's clear that I like to know the truth behind the headlines. And, if you look back, you'll see that I posted the graph entirely without comment. Nothing about "stating [my] opinion" or "tak[ing] pleasure in belittling people". Tom posted something the other day that proved me to be entirely wrong on something (can't be bothered to look). I responded something like "Well you learn something new every day". I didn't have a go at him personally for daring to know the facts. Vin
What is an International woman and who was it that decided that today was her special day? If we are going to fight for minority groups how about a day for grumpy old gits with dodgy knees and a walking stick. Such a day could draw attention to the abuse and disadvantage that this small oppressed minority suffer daily. In fact I declare that tomorrow is nominated as such a day. Therefore tomorrow I shall expect a message saying "Happy grumpy old git with dodgy knees and a walking stick day St G".
Instrument of the Devil sir. Second only to the dreaded shopping trolley in the damage it can do in a crowded Tescos.
Distorted by two factors; the number of people defined as underemployed, including those on zero hours contracts. And the amount of unpaid, therefore presumably unrecorded, overtime which appears to be on the increase in many industries. For what it's worth, I believe it's Beefy's generation that is getting a raw deal as they enter the workplace. Low pay and long hours seems to be the norm amongst my son's friends - circumstantial evidence maybe but real enough for the many people who find themselves in those circumstances.
