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Match Day Thread Leeds Utd v Bolton Wanderers / Breakfast debate

Discussion in 'Leeds United' started by ellandback, Mar 3, 2016.

  1. RCDM

    RCDM Well-Known Member

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    Its a structured interest free debt though mate <ok>

    It also only takes 17 years, if we spend another 17 years outside the prem. (Which is obviously possible)
     
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    You need to provide better bait than that old boy <ok>
     
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    Where have you got that from?
    My understanding is that the interest being charged is *8.37% according to GFH's statement to share holders last year. Not seen any other reports of a second restructure.

    Not saying you are wrong!
     
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    I 'll post it properly time. In summary that is not interest paid it is interest received
     
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    Chippy / Glory Senior Member

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    You imply you know your way round a balance sheet.
    Can you tell me what the balloon payment on the restructured loan from GFH is going to be based on 8.37% P.A is going to be? My back of a *** packet calculation comes out at £15.17 if all repayments are made on time and any agreed punitive penalty clauses are not triggered.
     
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    I can't i've got you on ignore.
    Only joking of course. I will take a look, but can't look properly for a couple of hours
     
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    £15.17mill not £15.17 obviously!!!!!
     
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  9. RCDM

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    Maybe i'm reading it wrong, but I assumed that this meant Cellino had restructured in such a way that we won't be liable for any interest...

    "Their loans earned no interest in 2014-15"
     
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  10. Chippy / Glory

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    Interest is restructured into a ballon payment at the end of the loan. @8.37% P.A as I understood it last year.... From a GFH statement.

    Putting it simply, Cellino told them he couldn't service the debt and pay the interest at the same time. I stand to be corrected.
     
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    Did anyone notice the comment right at the bottom of page 12? <whistle>



    Factors!!

    The company has loses of approximatley £68M to carry forward against future profit!
     
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  12. Chippy / Glory

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    Wotchu talking about. Don't you know we are debt free? <doh>
    Don't you believe what Cellino tells us?
     
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  13. TC (Lovely Geezer)

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    Did anyone notice the comment on page 16?

    "At the year end there were a number of legal claims and various claims against the company from HMRC" <yikes>
     
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    TC (Lovely Geezer) Well-Known Member

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    How much do you owe them and surely they were a bit silly to leave them off of the balance sheet?
     
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    Bottom of page 14 creditors that are included are owed over£18mill a million more than last year! Now just sitting here that is round a 6.5% increase in debt owed to these people.

    The £ 68mill you mentioned is up from £64mill last year. About 6% more debt.
    So much for bring debt free.
     
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  16. TC (Lovely Geezer)

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    On 27th May 2015 a further 3,000,000 ordinary shares were issued for £1 at £1.67 per share for cash consideration.

    So his £3M loan will yield a return of £5,010,000 - no wonder it's interst free <laugh>


    How will Chesh and the happy clappers make this look good?
     
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    Making stuff up about things you don't understand again?

    The club issued 3 million of new shares with a nominal value of £1 for a premium of £1.67. Whoever bought the shares paid £1.67 for them netting the club £5m. Thats assuming the figures you quoted above are correct I haven't bothered to check. Whats that got to do with any £3m loan?
     
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    So we are paying GFH 3.5 million over the next 3 years and then 13.5 million annually from then until 2032?

    This a club that's making 12.6 million operating loss per year?

    I'm no financial expert but nothing about that reads well to me.
     
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    <whistle>
     
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    No its not 13.5m each year, its 13.5 over 13 years. About 1m a year
     
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